09-02-2005 22:08									#1
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It wasn't much of one, thankfully. I was driving to school this morning on 236, with moderate/heavy traffic. Some guy stops for traffic and the woman behind him (who was speeding and ****ing EATING) barely hits him, as far as I can tell, since there were just some scratches on the back of his car and her bumper. This is just past a little hill, so I can't see it. I'm going about 35 (the speed limit), and as soon as I see her, I slam on the breaks. It doesn't slow down fast enough and I ended up rear-ending the woman, but not too quickly. Her rear gets a bit scratched up while my car bounces back several feet and the hood and fender are all bent up (but the engine was fine). I was fine, the guy was fine, the woman said she was fine but she looked a bit shell-shocked. I called 911 and they came over, and the woman said "her neck hurt" so they got an ambulance and sent her to the hospital. It took about an hour after the accident to get everything finished up (the forms and stuff) and then I just finished driving to school.

This is why women shouldn't drive

	09-02-2005 22:10									#2
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Look out, the lady will probably sue you now.

	09-02-2005 22:11									#3
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Rear ending a woman.

	09-02-2005 22:12									#4
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Kuci hit it

	09-02-2005 22:14									#5
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Sorry man-- glad to hear you are all right but if you rear end someone, you are at fault-- no question.

Personally I am amazed that a distracted speeding person could stop in time to cause only scratches while you were attentive and going the speed limit and were unable to stop without crumpling your front a bit. Better get those brakes checked.

	09-02-2005 22:15									#6
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Cuz of the hill, I couldn't see until I only had ~20-30 feet left.

And yeah, they screeched and made a kinda funny noise when I stomped on them.

	09-02-2005 22:16									#7
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You're hosed and will be found at fault. Sux but thems the brakes. (pun intended)

	09-02-2005 22:17									#8
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I know I'm at fault. Luckily, if I take some driving course it goes off my record.

	09-02-2005 22:19									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Cuz of the hill, I couldn't see until I only had ~20-30 feet left. And yeah, they screeched and made a kinda funny noise when I stomped on them.

I'm suprised the hill doesn't have a "blind hill" sign with a reduced speed zone if it reduces visibility that much. Sue the city/town/state !!!!

	09-02-2005 22:27									#10
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I had my first car accident a few weeks ago and it was a woman too, unsurprisingly. The traffic signs clearly stated she should have waited in that corner and driven slowly to the crossroads since there's a house blocking the view, but she came in at 50 kph in a 30 kph area right in front of me as I was crossing over the road.

There was no way to see her before it was too late, and I hit her right side the moment I could react. Needless to say, her insurance company paid for our car - the damage was negligible, but her own car did get totalled. (She was coming from my left to boot - even without the signs it would have been her fault.)

Let's hope you don't get sued your pants off, even though it technically was your fault.

	09-02-2005 22:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker This is why women shouldn't drive

No, this is why kids shouldn't drive

It never ceases to amaze me that there are countries where kids aren't allowed drink until they're 19 or 20 (or even older, as in the US), but they're allowed to drive a car at 16. Alcohol only makes you do stupid things, which kids at that age will invariably do anyway (experience speaking here ), while cars can maim or kill people.

If you could only see 20-30 ft ahead you shouldn't have been driving at 35 mph, speed limit or no speed limit. (Though it's probably a good idea to point out to the proper authorities that they should adjust the speed limit near that hill.)

Good to hear you're okay though

	09-02-2005 22:37									#12
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Oh please

	09-02-2005 22:50									#13
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I suspect it's because people can drive at 16 in the USA that the drinking age is set at 21.

In most parts of the country though, the ability to drive is much preferred over the ability to have alcohol, however.

	09-02-2005 23:29									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Sorry man-- glad to hear you are all right but if you rear end someone, you are at fault-- no question.

Common belief, but simply not true.


Kuci - Glad you are okay. Were any charges laid?

	09-02-2005 23:39									#15
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Oh please

Its true. Teenage drivers account for a disproportionate number of vehicle accidents and deaths. This is no surprise when you combine inexperienced drivers with general immaturity. There are a number of studies which demonstrate this.

I think the training period should be much longer before you're allowed behind the wheel of a 1 tonne object hurtling freely through open space at speeds up to 120MPH. The six or so months it takes now before you can get a license is ridiculous.

	09-02-2005 23:48									#16
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Teenagers can't drice cars. FACT.
Women can't drive cars. FACT.

Teenagers + women = CRASH FOR SURE. mot.

	10-02-2005 00:18									#17
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This sounds like you smucked into another car so hard that you pushed the middle car into the one in front.

I was in a similar accident, but I was in the middle. I stopped fine, but the idiot behind me slams into me so hard that I got sandwiched.

Took me two years to recover from the neck problems.

	10-02-2005 00:22									#18
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quote: Teenagers + women = CRASH FOR SURE. mot.

It wasn't my fault!

Seriously though, I admit that of course I can't be an experienced driver at the age of 18 - but everyone starts from zero, no? I do not find hiking the limit to, say, 21 objectionable, though, however I think the young drivers who are reckless at 18 will continue to be so at 21. Alcohol + testosterone + high speeds = bad. My primary occupation behind the wheel is driving my mother from work and back, not zooming around the city in search of vastly younger females to have indecent relations with.

	10-02-2005 00:26									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Common belief, but simply not true.

Errr actually it is true in like 98% of cases. The best
result I have ever seen for the guy in the back car is some element of contributory negligence for the stopped car (failure to pull over or to take measures when there was time to do so or a sudden stop for no reason)

The overriding premise in all the decisions was that a driver was responsible to be able to stop and should drive safely considering all the conditions.

The insurance "liability chart" gives 100% liability to kuci in these facts. If there is only property damage it would cost him more then the damages to fight that finding . I know that the among lawyers, a rear-ender is considered a "liability is not in question' type case. It requires something unusual to take it out of that realm.

	10-02-2005 00:30									#20
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Wait a minute, why do you need to take a highway to get to school anyway?

	10-02-2005 00:31									#21
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Kassi, sure. I think 18 is good though.. it's a great age to start driving.. 16 is a little bit Hmm, 21 is way too late.. 18 is good I think. I've been in the traffic since I was 16, with a motorcycle as you know is the age limit 16, which in a way is not logical because even younger people plus fast bikes equals NEGAHHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Then again, if you survive, you have ltos of experience when you get a car. What young folks usually lack is the eye. They think they're alone in the traffic you know.. thinking if they don't screw up, then they won't crash.. but other people can screw up too and crash on you. Plus young inexperienced drivers also sometimes don't realize the good speed to drive on certain situations and places, come too fast and loose control. They also loose that control over the vehicle sometimes easier, getting more brainfarts.

But other than that, no problem.. on the other hand, they' just been in the driving school so they are more careful, they prolly know the rules better than middle aged folks and you know, it's not a recipie for disaster. Add women and then you have doom.

	10-02-2005 00:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Cuz of the hill, I couldn't see until I only had ~20-30 feet left. And yeah, they screeched and made a kinda funny noise when I stomped on them.

The hill doesn't make a difference. You are suppose to follow at a safe distance no matter what the circumstance.

	10-02-2005 00:41									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Errr actually it is true in like 98% of cases. The best result I have ever seen for the guy in the back car is some element of contributory negligence for the stopped car (failure to pull over or to take measures when there was time to do so or a sudden stop for no reason) The overriding premise in all the decisions was that a driver was responsible to be able to stop and should drive safely considering all the conditions. The insurance "liability chart" gives 100% liability to kuci in these facts. If there is only property damage it would cost him more then the damages to fight that finding . I know that the among lawyers, a rear-ender is considered a "liability is not in question' type case. It requires something unusual to take it out of that realm.

You went from 100% (original post) down to 98% in the prior post.

I will grant that it is difficult to defend but not impossible. I have clients in this position and can provide case law if you wish.

	10-02-2005 00:44									#24
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Its nice to see Kuci took lessons from Provost Harrison's school of driving. You only get a B (rather than an A) as the car you hit wasn't a Porsche.

	10-02-2005 01:01									#25
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Wezil,

What can you do though if your insurance company won't fight it?

	10-02-2005 01:07									#26
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that sucks Kuci... I hope things go well for you...

	10-02-2005 01:23									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Wezil, What can you do though if your insurance company won't fight it?

What State are you in? You need to find out how the insurance scheme works in your jurisdiction.

As the law applies here, the onus is on you to fight any charge that may be laid. If the charge is withdrawn or the case dismissed (acquitted) an insurance penalty will not apply, although a claim for damages (ie to fix your car) will almost certainly raise your premiums.

We work under "no fault" insurance in Ontario so your situation may be quite different.

Were any charges laid?

	10-02-2005 01:25									#28
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Main thing is your ok, God, I hate it when that happens. Same happened to me about 2 months ago, doing 80 down the M4 (yehh, 70 is the limit) when all the traffic in the right hand side slammed the breaks on. I hit my breaks, and the car seemed to skate .. I could see I wasn't going to make it, like in slow motion.. I hit the 4x4 infront, so we pulled up, took a look, not a single scratch or dent on me or his car !!

In my case, I didn't leave a big enough gap for myself (not easy on the M4 whenever you do, somebody will fill it, even if its 1.1 car length only), but I can see a hill must have made it a real pig for you to react to it .. Just hope she doesn't sue.

	10-02-2005 01:45									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil You went from 100% (original post) down to 98% in the prior post. I will grant that it is difficult to defend but not impossible. I have clients in this position and can provide case law if you wish.

If you want to get really technical, the 100% is likely true-- I don't know of any rear-ender cases where the back car didn't have some fault apportioned to them-- Do you have case law where the back car was 0% at fault -- and I'm not talking about if someone backs up into you or if you are the middle car after getting hit yourself

	10-02-2005 01:45									#30
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quote: Originally posted by The Viceroy ... doing 80 down the M4 (yehh, 70 is the limit) ...

I assume you mean Kph?

Wouldn't walking be a little faster?