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laurentius
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Helsinki, Finland
Jun 2001
time: 07:25
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The British war criminals should be posthumonously dishonoured because of this.
Last edited by laurentius on 13-02-2005 at 21:13
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Proteus_MST
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I fully agree with GePaps Posting.
Two wrongs don´t make a right.
The Bombings of Hamburg and especially Dresden were as wrong (and IMHO War Crimes) as any german bombings of population Centers like London or Coventry were.
Especially sick is IMHO, that Arthur Harris AFAIK in GB is celebrated as a Hero of War and a few years ago got a statue dedicated to him.
It would be the same as if in germany we would erect a statue to celebrate the generals who gave the orders to bomb London and Coventry 
Last edited by Proteus_MST on 13-02-2005 at 22:22
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Proteus_MST
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quote:
Originally posted by Dauphin
He was a war hero?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ydresdenbritain
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LONDON (AFP) - Sixty years after the destruction of Dresden, the British public still believes the massive death toll was purely the result of the excess of the notorious "Bomber" Harris, and the idea of a national apology to Germany revolts the tabloid press.
"Harris and Bomber Command are still the black sheep of the British popular memory of the Second World War," said Mark Connelly, a history professor at the University of Kent and the author of a study on the role of the Royal Air Force in the destruction of the picturesque capital of the German state of Saxony.
Deprived of special medals and brushed aside for official ceremonies at the end of the war, Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris and his men never enjoyed the status of hero reserved for most of their colleagues. |
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You are right, seems like ist was just some newspapers and the Veteran Association which were less critical of Harris:
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When activists insulted those erecting a statue to Harris in central London in 1992, the Daily Mail newspaper denounced them as "peace idiots".
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and also:
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After the war, when the true nature of this bombing became known, Harris was publicly villified as a war criminal, and in disgrace he left the country to reside for a time in South Africa, but he returned with impunity to England in 1953
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After his death, the Royal Air Force erected a bronze statue of Harris outside the RAF chapel in London (St. Clement Danes church). The statue was pelted with paint and refuse by protestors, and had to be put under 24-hour guard.
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http://www.bible-researcher.com/dresden/harris.html
I´m glad to be proven wrong in this case 
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Dr Strangelove
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By 1945 the axis were farming out some war production to homes. Small parts could be Pressed or molded in basements, partially assembled in a worker's home, then brought to a center for final assmebly. The decentralized assembly senters were much smaller than traditional factories anf therefore more difficult to identify and target. This made disruption of industry via bombers attacking factories less of a problem. The allies were aware that Germany had decentralized war production and thought that this trend was the primary reason for the failure of strategic bombing to have an effect on the delivery of armaments to the German war machine. They then rationalized that the only way that strategic bombing could wreck the German war machine was to destroy the cities.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by BeBro
That is the strangest explanation for the bombings I ever heard. It also does not explain while those large scale attacks took place since 1942. |
I believe that most of the large scale attacks conducted in 1942 and 1943 targeted factories, ports, rail centers and sub pens. Most of these attacks would have been night raids. Large numbers of bombers were needed due to the inherent inaccuracy of night bombing during WW2. Today a single plane can generally accomplish what required entire air groups in 1942.
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mrmitchell
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The best way to sum up WWII is that every nation involved showed their worst. The Soviets ran death camps and huge rings of spy networks; the Germans committed the most systematic, planned mass murder in history; the Japs killed thousands of Chinese; the British firebombed Dresden; the Americans nuked huge population centers.
By the end of the war, everyone had realized they'd reached the limit via conventional destruction, and started exploring the completely new level of evil granted by appropriately named "weapons of mass destruction"--we are blessed that the Allies did everything to speed up their victory, because the alternative was simply not worth risking.
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Alexander's Horse
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Panmunjon, hands up!
Jan 1970
time: 15:25
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The idea that Dresden was a non military target seems to have grown up after the war. It was never decalred an open city. At the time the nazis were turning cities into fortresses and many, like Breslau, held out months after they had been overrun.
It was also the nazis who refused to evacuate civilians leaving them to face the bombing raids. Dresden was never declared an open city and was important base for German forces. Ironically as allied forces got closer to it, its military importance increased.
Was it regrettable and a tragedy? Of course it was. But the real tragedy was nazism which most Germans enthusiastically embraced.
I just heard German man on the radio tearfully saying how he suffered during the bombing and how it made it him determined to fight fascism. Never again.
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