16-02-2005 19:23									#61
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For TBS games:

1) A screen where cities/provinces/countries/planets/... are sortable by number of turns before output production.
On top, the cities outing their production next turn, then 2 turns, 3 turns, ...
For micro management, you just have to scroll until turn 2 or 3 and don't need to care about the rest.

2) When I have selected a sorting rule, I want the city screen scroll to follow that rule, not the default, alphabetical scroll.

	17-02-2005 00:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar EITHER EVERY GAME YOU PLAY HAS TO SIMULATE LIFE PERFECTLY OR YOU HAVE TO PLAY PONG!!!1 THERE IS NO INBETWEEN, PEOPLE!!11 [/UR]

Um, never thought I'd say this, but Tassadar is right!

The reality mongers tend to annoy me too, though they are right sometimes. I always wonder if they've thought of playing the ultimate realistic game, actual reality.

	17-02-2005 00:36									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman I can just imagine the reviews: "'Riders of Iskandar' is a new RPG that bravely tries to incorporate horseback exploration and combat. Unfortunately it fails on a number of counts. Firstly, the designers forgot to include any eating, washing or urinating for either the main characters or the horses. This blatant disregard for realism left me wondering why they bothered to include horses in the first place. Secondly, you can steal horses in the game. This doesn't make sense, as they would be well guarded, and most people don't steal horses anyway. Thirdly, the designers included warhorses, wild horses, mules and ponies, but forgot to include carthorses. What were they thinking? Finally, the rules for mounted combat are quite different from the typical rules of an RPG, and are thus confusing and off-putting for the typical player. Unless you like learning new things, it would be better to play an RPG without any confusing new features. It's not as if horses add anything to the game beyond 'atmosphere' and 'originality'."

I've been playing KOTOR2, and I still can't figure out where the bathroom is on the Ebon Hawk. It's hard to roleplay a character who can't take a **** or piss at all. Except maybe in outdoor wilderness areas. But then there's no toilet paper.

	17-02-2005 00:45									#64
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It's one of the high level force powers - force relief I think.

	17-02-2005 02:34									#65
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Um, never thought I'd say this, but Tassadar is right! The reality mongers tend to annoy me too, though they are right sometimes. I always wonder if they've thought of playing the ultimate realistic game, actual reality.

Some of us do, of course

	17-02-2005 14:02									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman I can just imagine the reviews:

Given up on rational debate already?

	17-02-2005 15:05									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Given up on rational debate already?

On the contrary, that was where he pwnd you.

	17-02-2005 17:09									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Hmmm... that's not true at all. One of my major complaints wrt rogue-like games is you get killed most of the time by a confluence of events though no fault of your own. Running out of food happens often and there's nothing one can do.

You poor newbie . Keeping your character fed is a bit of a strange problem - it seems that when you start playing you're always short on food, but it really doesn't take that much practice to learn to find enough food that the problem becomes eating *less* than you can find (since if you eat too much, obviously you can't run that fast anymore and all that - and being slow is not a good idea in a roguelike). 'course, some games do challenge you by increasing your food consumption - for instance, in ADOM wearing any artifact and any item that grants regeneration or invisibility can make you go hungry quite a bit faster. Still, food is something that you mostly just learn to deal with, no matter how sporadic finding food items might seem to a newbie.

	18-02-2005 01:15									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Given up on rational debate already?

Looked pretty rational to me.

	18-02-2005 04:04									#70
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This is the unpopular choice, but i'd like to see less graphics detail.

More effort/detail on the game world and characters in it and game balance.

imho we are seeing games becoming "interactive movies" and the interactive bit is questionable at times.

If i want to watch a movie i go to the cinema. when i play games i want to really interact with the game, not be herded like a sheep down a track?

something like that

Oh yeah and more bl**dy horses, in everything

	18-02-2005 04:18									#71
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor imho we are seeing games becoming "interactive movies" and the interactive bit is questionable at times.

If they would sell them as movies it would be nice. I mean like putting it in the DVD player and then watch it as a movie except each 15-30 minutes it asks what they player would do (giving a few choices)

Could be interesting

	18-02-2005 06:17									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio If they would sell them as movies it would be nice. I mean like putting it in the DVD player and then watch it as a movie except each 15-30 minutes it asks what they player would do (giving a few choices) Could be interesting

Like Choose Your Own Adventure, but in DVD format???

I recommend a quick trot down to the copyright office, Adagio, so nobody steals your idea. I'd pay a goodly amount for something like that if it was well done.

	18-02-2005 06:30									#73
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That would be cool, but I doubt it would be done correctly, and I have a feeling there wouldn't be too many choices if it was made.

	18-02-2005 09:53									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala You poor newbie .

Not exactly I started playing the original rogue on a PDP box aeons ago.

quote: Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala Keeping your character fed is a bit of a strange problem - it seems that when you start playing you're always short on food, but it really doesn't take that much practice to learn to find enough food that the problem becomes eating *less* than you can find (since if you eat too much, obviously you can't run that fast anymore and all that - and being slow is not a good idea in a roguelike).

The food problem seems to be a symptom of something more fundamental, namely these games are too random. For example, you can find very powerful weapons very early in ADOM - that happened to me once. So, I reckon it is possible to run into some nasty out-of-depth critters as well, even though that hasn't happened to me.

Another very strange design decision is items you can carry is neither limited by mass nor volume but by slot.

quote: Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala 'course, some games do challenge you by increasing your food consumption - for instance, in ADOM wearing any artifact and any item that grants regeneration or invisibility can make you go hungry quite a bit faster.

I think that has always been the case, starting with the original rogue. At least when it comes to regenerating items.

	18-02-2005 09:56									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio If they would sell them as movies it would be nice. I mean like putting it in the DVD player and then watch it as a movie except each 15-30 minutes it asks what they player would do (giving a few choices) Could be interesting

The problem with this is your choices are severely limited. Granted, your choices in any CRPG are more limited than a pencil-and-paper one, but far superior to any "interactive movies."

	18-02-2005 11:28									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yep, they have. And the game came out in 2004. Only now do we have the graphical technology to even think about doing horses and such. So there's no reason to complain about them in older rpg's. But I expect rpg's in the future to have them.

Um... If I recall correctly the TES: Arena had horses. And houses you could buy too. Of course that game was in VGA (1st person though). It was done.

And I agree... HORSES (at least it'll provide more PWNing oppertunities over UR ). I hope the new TES (Oblivion) includes them. They have a few prelim screenies with characters on horses. And allow exotic mounts as well as ordinary, wandering the countryside mounts (of course the wild ones aren't as good as the exotic ones... and maybe some haven't been broke ).

Oh, as for too much dialogue... GIVE ME MORE! I want Planescape: Torment like dialogue. Give me a freaking book in the game! I want to drawn into the gameworld, not just be told go there and do X for me because I said so because I'm the next quest giver!

	18-02-2005 16:27									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear That would be cool, but I doubt it would be done correctly, and I have a feeling there wouldn't be too many choices if it was made.

That would be the reason why we wont see it. It would probably at least double the cost to make the movie because of all the extra scenes, but in cases like "Diary of a Hitman"* where production cost wasn't high while there were no stupid-looking explosions or zombies or whatever... low cost movies like this should be possible to have several choices during the movie without killing the budget


*For those who doesn't know the movie: 75% of the movie was filmed in the same small apartment and was mostly just dialoge, while they still managed to make it somewhat interesting

	18-02-2005 16:41									#78
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor This is the unpopular choice, but i'd like to see less graphics detail. More effort/detail on the game world and characters in it and game balance. imho we are seeing games becoming "interactive movies" and the interactive bit is questionable at times. If i want to watch a movie i go to the cinema. when i play games i want to really interact with the game, not be herded like a sheep down a track? something like that Oh yeah and more bl**dy horses, in everything

of course in the case of Knights of the Old republic, the interactive fiction is better than the last Star Wars movies.

	18-02-2005 19:54									#79
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The Very Hungry Caterpillar is better than the Phantom Menace, so that's hardly a tough one Diss.

	18-02-2005 20:00									#80
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york The Very Hungry Caterpillar is better than the Phantom Menace, so that's hardly a tough one Diss.

Oooh, the very hungry caterpillar was one of the BEST kids books, we read it to POTM so often, i can probably recite it - on sunday, the caterpillar was sick, he ate a leaf, and he felt better, or something like that.

Much better than the very lonely firefly, for example.


Any games based on TVHC?

	18-02-2005 20:07									#81
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Who's POTM?

	18-02-2005 20:19									#82
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LOTM's daughter.

	18-02-2005 23:13									#83
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york The Very Hungry Caterpillar is better than the Phantom Menace, so that's hardly a tough one Diss.

	19-02-2005 01:53									#84
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york The Very Hungry Caterpillar is better than the Phantom Menace, so that's hardly a tough one Diss.

yes it's true

I'm just glad I'm not one of those geeks who waited in line for weeks. They sure must of felt ripped off.

I knew it would be bad, I didn't see it until it came out on video.

	19-02-2005 03:14									#85
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Who's POTM?

Princess of the Mark, naturally.

	19-02-2005 14:21									#86
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quote: Another very strange design decision is items you can carry is neither limited by mass nor volume but by slot.

In NetHack, you get burdened and ecentually overtaxed so mass and volume do matter. The slot limitation vs. volume is certainly mostly historical since 1 letter = 1 item.

I think the randomness of roguelikes is a big part of what makes them fun (though I hate the infinite dungeon ones like zangband).

Less graphics, no sound, more dialogues and more choices and different paths to tread in RPG's are what I want. Give me a game where you start in different locations based on your chosen background, where the initial quests are different based on your character creation choices, where the mid and late game quests vary based on the choices you made (good/evil, tech/magic...) during the game, and where you can solve every quest in any one of three ways: talking, fighting or sneaking. This requires more dialogues, by the way (not monologues from the NPC part).

	19-02-2005 23:39									#87
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I'm convinced that with bad graphics, no sound, and tons of script, that a (modern) RPG would not do well.

	19-02-2005 23:55									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear I'm convinced that with bad graphics, no sound, and tons of script, that a (modern) RPG would not do well.

I think this is doing pretty well.

	20-02-2005 00:59									#89
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but that uses the ultimate in graphics. Something that can far surpass any supercomputer. The imagination.

	20-02-2005 01:04									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Um... If I recall correctly the TES: Arena had horses. And houses you could buy too. Of course that game was in VGA (1st person though). It was done.

You didn't really play with the horses ... they took you from one area to another, but you had no control over the horse at all (you just pointed to which area you wanted to go and it went there). From what I recall anyway, it's been about ten years.

quote: And I agree... HORSES (at least it'll provide more PWNing oppertunities over UR ). I hope the new TES (Oblivion) includes them. They have a few prelim screenies with characters on horses. And allow exotic mounts as well as ordinary, wandering the countryside mounts (of course the wild ones aren't as good as the exotic ones... and maybe some haven't been broke ).

Given how popular the pack animals were after the expansions, at least among people I know, i'd be surprised if they're not in it in some way (either as pack animals or mounted play). Also, the focus on bow combat means that they should definitely include some sort of mounted archery and can easily do so... not sure how mounted HTH combat will go though, although it should increase the utility of polearms hopefully

quote: Oh, as for too much dialogue... GIVE ME MORE! I want Planescape: Torment like dialogue. Give me a freaking book in the game! I want to drawn into the gameworld, not just be told go there and do X for me because I said so because I'm the next quest giver!