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shawnmmcc
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The greens also went ape-s**t over the French solution to the nuclear waste problem. They vitrify it in long, pointed cylinders (essentially mix it with a glass-type material into a solid). The cylinders are streamlined, and you drop them into an ocean trench. I wa first incensed by the headlines, "French ocean dumping of nuclear waste." Then I found out the facts, and disliked intensely being manipulated that way.
The cylinders drop down several miles and bury themselves quite deep in the ooze. Please note this is on the lower plate of the subduction zone, i.e. it's going to end up in the earth mantle. The greens argue we don't know what goes on 75 plus feet in deep abyssel ooze, which is an anaerobic cold environment that is a biological wasteland.
The other idea that got them incensed over nuclear waste disposal was burying it inside the pre-Cambrian shield on the tribal lands of one of the native American groups in Canada. All kinds of charges of Environmental Racism, etc. were leveled. The formation has been stable for 500+ million years. PRE-Cambrian, for god's sake. They are as bad as our local creationists.
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General Ludd
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Minion of the Dominion
Aug 2001
time: 05:24
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quote:
Originally posted by shawnmmcc
The other idea that got them incensed over nuclear waste disposal was burying it inside the pre-Cambrian shield on the tribal lands of one of the native American groups in Canada. All kinds of charges of Environmental Racism, etc. were leveled. |
And completely justified, especially given the history of what has been done to many reserves in these situations. There is a reserve near where I live (on the cambrian shield) where there was a sulfur processing plant. The unused sulphur was simply dumped on the open ground in giant yellow piles. During the supposed "regreening" effort that was done in the region (which was sparked by the crazy histerical greens of the 70s  ), they simply dug holes and dumped the sulphur in it, so that it was out of sight. The government made no qualms about their objective and explicitely said they where restoring the aesthetic quality of the land (as opposed to actually restoring the damage done) and now the sulphur mixes into the soil and they still have problems with sluphuric dust burning holes in clothes that are hung to dry, and the soles of their shoes being corroded by the soil.
And then there was also an actual uranium mine, in the same place. When it was in opperation, it dumped a great deal of waste into the river (as did the sulphur plant, I might add) and to this day there has not been one single study done to measure the contamination in the area, despite pleas from the community for there to be one. They have a high rate of cancer and birth defects, probably due to living in an industrial dump, but the government won't study the damage done, and when pushed enough to clean it up, will simply bury it out of sight (and out of mind) rather than actually fix it.
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shawnmmcc
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General Ludd, that is exactly how not to do it. They were not burying it in the shield, which is solid rock. It's not a cheap process. They just buried the waste in the subsoil, which given the fact it's on top of the pre-Cambrian (or is it Cambrian, I'm doing this all from memory) means it's going to stay on top of the rock formation. That's a straw man, using a case of environmental dumping in the area that makes no use of the actual technology under discussion, i.e. VJ's example on the Baltic Shield.
However, if you point is why people don't trust these suggestions, then your point is very germane. Except that the Native Americans involved did understand, and were quite willing to do it. In which case it now becomes Environmental Paternalism, as in you're too dumb to understand this, so let us take care of it for you. Both the Environmental Paternalism (I just coined that term) and the Environmental Racism are wrong, though you cannot correct the consequences of the latter, so that does make it worse.
VJ, the French method causes the vitrified cylinders to go fairly deep into the ooze, I recall a couple of hundred feet, but I posted 75 to be on the safe side. Since it's on a section of ocean plate being subducted into the mantle, and it's a good five miles or so in a biologically dead aea, it's actually not that bad a technique. However, it doesn't quite have the certainty of the pre-Cambrian or Baltic plate disposal methods.
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child of Thor
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well the government has been bringing the whole issue to the publics attention over the last few years. Mainly in the recycling area through school etc. Still it does seem to be too little too late if some of the reports we've had on tv recently are to be believed.
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14-02-2005 17:42
) in the future.
... It's like all these local, low-level politicians in Helsinki, they thought that the solution to garbage dumps (what are they officially called... landfills?) would be just dropping a large layer of sand on it and building new houses on it while the city continued to dump plastic garbage to other dumps farther away from the city. 
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