15-02-2005 01:51									#1
	FemNazis are at it again! Increase the size of your Attachments

This time they blame men about EVERYTHING.

This program is still going on on TV, it's a debate/discussion about women and men and business life.

The did a study about students, and while femnazis have claimed women to be more ambitious and all that, but it's men who has been dominating the business and the top spots and thus blocked women to rise. Before they showed the study, the debators were agreeing on this. Without a study.

The study found out, that women had LESS drive in top spots, and less plans. It was the men who had long term plans while women.. didn't. Men had far more greater ambition to want to be in upper managment of any business, while only 10% of women dreamed about it. Same goes with negotiating your salary, and everything else. Now remember, this is students. These are people who have not yet been in the business life. And yes it was a business school.

Now that the study was revealed to the debaters, the femnazis were little upset about the result, and quickly said 'well, this is because women are realists.'. THIS STUDY WAS ABOUT AMBITION YOU STUPID ****! LISTEN!!! No wonder she never got anywhere with her life, because she can't even comprehend anything. ANd of course, it was because of men. Men had oppressed the girl students from birth, so they don't even try. MUAEHEAHEHAE!!! What a stupid ****! higher degree students... what's that.. more women are going for it than men. And yet they want to do less with that degree than men.. Hey if you never try, you won't be asked to lead a business. No one will call you and say 'listen we want you, now please lead us'.

This of course, all fault of men. I'm telling you, competent women will always keep rocking, but these excuse finding femnazis should look in the mirror. And OMG this same ***** keeps on bringing outrageous claims. This woman should be executed in the market square.

If someone puts down women, it's these FemNazis. Competent women never find excuses. They go and win. They don't need this femnazis represnting them, I say they do more harm to the image of these true business women.
Besides, we don't live in Afghanistan. ****, men have less rights and less space than anything else these days. And this is why my message is, FemNazis do not want equality. They want it all. But while it's up to me, it's not going to happen. Competent people will go on winning, gender nto playing a part in it.

	15-02-2005 01:53									#2
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this may be true, but women still make less money than men.

	15-02-2005 01:55									#3
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let 'em whine.

as long as they are complaining they aren't working.

	15-02-2005 01:55									#4
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I find the allusion to the Third Reich offensive on several counts.

	15-02-2005 02:00									#5
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Diss, that was not the issue on this thread, while it is true.

Japher, yeah it's not that they're complaining.. it's that they have these front organisations, FemSS. You know they have the right to **** you up because of your gender. You know, they're aggressive, nasty and wrong. And if you say anything bad about them, you're a woman hater. Pussified femvictims in here would say well look at what you just wrote. I said only bad about femSS. And that women with ambition and drive will keep ruling and getting top spots, or at least they should.

They make it a gender issue. If it was about equality, we would want to abolish the gender issue. Buit it isn't, since it's brought up all the time.

Then there was an issue of women being pregnant and that's hard time to find a job. WELL YEAH? IMAGINE THAT! That's not a woman issue, it's nto a pregnant issue, it's YOUR ASS BEING IN HOME FOR SEVERAL MONTHS SOON!

WTF Is wrong with these people, and people who submit in front of them. They are highly offensive and men can punch them in bellies because they are stupid and asking for it and we should give femSS equality in those terms as well, because in men world you get your ass kicked for saying **** like that without backing it up.

	15-02-2005 02:37									#6
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I find the allusion to the Third Reich offensive on several counts.

You're right. Now need to drag the Nazis down by associating them with these wackos.

	15-02-2005 02:42									#7
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I have a story here that Pekka might enjoy

There was a book about equality that had an article cencored because it hinted at the biological differences between male and female human brains. The local government in Norrbotten decided that the text had to be removed if the book was to be published, because they (the social democrats) had already decided there are no biological differences between male and female brains, it's all a social construct

Link to the cencored article (in Swedish): http://www.kuriren.nu/default.asp?T...ID=2&ClientID=0

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	15-02-2005 02:48									#8
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo I find the allusion to the Third Reich offensive on several counts.

I agree.

	15-02-2005 02:50									#9
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The book was published by the local gov't itself IIRC, so it wasn't censorship per se, just a really interesting demonstration of the tendency of the politosphere to consider ideology more important than science.

I recently read a piece on said biological differences, actually, in one of my sister's neuroscience books. One kind of got the impression that men got the harsher deal.

	15-02-2005 02:57									#10
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So men are more motivated to ask for bigger salaries and step on heads. This means they deserve more? I think not.

	15-02-2005 03:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist The book was published by the local gov't itself IIRC, so it wasn't censorship per se, just a really interesting demonstration of the tendency of the politosphere to consider ideology more important than science.

There was also this case a couple of years ago when a sociologist studied whether boys and girls chose to play with different toys. She hoped to prove that there was no difference in toy preference, but she was forced to conclude that the kids tended to choose toys according to the stereotypes.

Needless to say, she got in trouble for these results. My favourite comment was someone who said that this kind of research should not be performed at all. "Because it harms vital political interests"

	15-02-2005 03:01									#12
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No, but it means they get more, which is kind of the issue.

	15-02-2005 03:04									#13
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Pekka,

Maybe there is something you don't understand. Your value to society has very little to do with how self-interested you are. Some men only care about themselves. Their own career is all that matters. They don't spend time with their families. They leave all that to their wives. Why do you think that this means they are better than women and other people?

	15-02-2005 03:27									#14
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I'm not sure that he is in fact arguing that they are better than women, only that "Feminazis" (I agree, somebody sic Godwin on Pekka) are quick to patch any holes in their theories by blaming them on men in a different way than they were before. The study does not prove what we believe to be true, therefore it proves something else favorable to our cause. Or something. That's hardly unique to feminists though. Just about everyone on earth does it to some extent.

TBH I'm not sure how much good talking about such problems is doing. Militance tends to have a Black Panther effect, as shown here; people reply, "you know, I never wanted to beat and abuse Your People, and I still don't, but I'd really like to beat and abuse you specifically for being such a whiny twit."

	15-02-2005 03:42									#15
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I think the feminists who make that argument are wrong. Most women do not have a tendency to have this personality. For one, there is probably something different biologically with their brains, and two they are raised differently.

I think what Pekka doesn't realize is that there are a lot of men who are driven to achieve in their career at the expense of their families. That's not a good thing. I especially don't like his comments about child birth. Men can have all the children they want, but they don't have to take care of them. If a women wants a child she has to take care of it. We don't want to punish women for raising children, and we don't want to reward men for neglecting their families.

	15-02-2005 03:50									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Now that the study was revealed to the debaters, the femnazis were little upset about the result, and quickly said 'well, this is because women are realists.'. THIS STUDY WAS ABOUT AMBITION YOU STUPID ****! LISTEN!!! No wonder she never got anywhere with her life, because she can't even comprehend anything.

And a couple more things.

1) You don't seem to understand how understanding reality has an effect on you AMBITION. So it you who did not comprehend what she was saying.

2) She's no Bill Gates, and I don't know her qualifications, but I'll bet 10 to 1 that she has accomplished more than you.

	15-02-2005 03:59									#17
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quote: we don't want to reward men for neglecting their families.

We? The fact that a man is more likely to ignore their family and/or go above and beyond SHOULD earn them more pay. Especially, when they do. Potential and Performance are the basis for most companies reason for even hiring you; it judges how they can expoit you.

All because men are more willing to sell themselves as corporate whores does not owe to a company discriminating based on sex. In other words; companies aren't hiring women or giving them big salaries because they are women, they aren't doing so because they aren't selling themselves well enough.

	15-02-2005 06:57									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious 2) She's no Bill Gates, and I don't know her qualifications, but I'll bet 10 to 1 that she has accomplished more than you.

Not really a valid argument. The average film critic has not produced, directed, starred, written or in any way worked on a motion picture, outside of college film classes. To put it another way, if critics were actually so successful in their field that they were in a "position to criticize" everything, they'd have no sensible reason to bother criticizing in the first place. Oh, and that's an ad hominem, obviously.

	15-02-2005 07:28									#19
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Equal rights for women.

FemNazis

	15-02-2005 07:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Japher We? The fact that a man is more likely to ignore their family and/or go above and beyond SHOULD earn them more pay. Especially, when they do. Potential and Performance are the basis for most companies reason for even hiring you; it judges how they can expoit you. All because men are more willing to sell themselves as corporate whores does not owe to a company discriminating based on sex. In other words; companies aren't hiring women or giving them big salaries because they are women, they aren't doing so because they aren't selling themselves well enough.

Excuse me. No Corporate America probably doesn't share this POV. So what?

	15-02-2005 07:43									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Not really a valid argument. The average film critic has not produced, directed, starred, written or in any way worked on a motion picture, outside of college film classes. To put it another way, if critics were actually so successful in their field that they were in a "position to criticize" everything, they'd have no sensible reason to bother criticizing in the first place. Oh, and that's an ad hominem, obviously.

So you think business majors are qualified social scientists? Why is that?

	15-02-2005 07:49									#22
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Is there anyone here who has something more intelligent to say than since Corporate America says men are more valuable to society than women that they are. I'm not going to argue against a bunch of crap.

	15-02-2005 07:50									#23
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Than all women? Obviously not. In fact, I don't see ANYONE suggesting that we get rid of women.

Than particular groups of women? Surely yes.

	15-02-2005 07:58									#24
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I don't know why I bother here. You people are incredibly bigoted. What exactly makes you think you are better than other people? All you say is because I'm more like me than they are. That's the stupidest crap a person could possibly say.

	15-02-2005 09:01									#25
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Kid, sometimes I really don't understand what universe you live in.

	15-02-2005 09:14									#26
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It's not a different place. It's a different way of thinking. As far as that goes I'm glad I don't think like you. That would be like turning into a Zombie.

	15-02-2005 09:15									#27
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OMFG IT'S ZOMBIE REAGAN!!!!!1111

	15-02-2005 09:55									#28
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For the people objecting so strongly to reffering to Feminists as Nazis, do they also object to refering to Bush in the same way?

	15-02-2005 10:00									#29
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I want to hit it with a FemNazi, just to see that front fade away.

	15-02-2005 12:40									#30
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It seems like there are two main genres of flame threads on OT...

1. Economic threads- which degenerate into a Kidicious flamewar.

2. Social threads- which degenerate into a Pekka flamewar

Now here we got a thread that deals with both... How fast you think it'll reach 500?