16-02-2005 11:15									#31
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Turn it into Babylon 5.

	16-02-2005 11:16									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker What's section 31?

From memory that was a secretive section of Starfleet that specialised in Black Ops and was essentially above the law - above and beyond most of the more shadowy aspects of CIA during its heyday.
IIRC it was introduced in the mid-seasons of DS9.

I thought it was a great concept in principle but unfortunately most of the episodes seemed to revolve around the particularly irritating doctor playing at being a superspy.

	16-02-2005 11:18									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker What's section 31?

The Federation's top secret covert operations organization that wasn't answerable to anyone. They were featured in several episodes of DS9.

	16-02-2005 11:20									#34
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Now that sounds bad azz!!!!


Section 31.

	16-02-2005 11:40									#35
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Section 31 ~ Tal Shiar ~ Obsidian Order.

http://memory-alpha.org

	16-02-2005 11:58									#36
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Star Trek: Secret Wars?

	16-02-2005 12:00									#37
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I say push the timeline into the future 50 years past Voyager/DS9. That way the writers get rid of the crutch of having old cast members re-appear and can advance the story without violating the Star Trek "canon". There's plenty of Universe left to explore (One more quadrant, right?).

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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch I say push the timeline into the future 50 years past Voyager/DS9. That way the writers get rid of the crutch of having old cast members re-appear and can advance the story without violating the Star Trek "canon".

Yeah, that'll stop them....

	16-02-2005 14:36									#39
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I have trouble imaging a show about section 31, the org was sooo dicredited in DS9....

About big battles -I love to see them to, but they shouldn't overdo it, IMO the development of the scale of space battles was reasonable in Enterprise (although I have to say we are currently at the third seaon here). Anyway, lots of big battles all the time and from the start of a series could become boring too. Space battles should become gradually bigger to the end of a show IMO.
Most important IMO isn't to have hundreds of ships participating, but how good space fighting is made in the end (fx, "camera" movement, cuts etc.).

	16-02-2005 14:40									#40
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Get rid of english speaking, bipedal, costume wearing aliens.

	16-02-2005 14:42									#41
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I'm not sure the success of a scifi show is proportional to the number of legs those aliens have

	16-02-2005 15:13									#42
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Hm, the latest StarTrek series was/is (?) definately far superior to its predecessors. The music theme, though subject to criticism from today´s techno/metal/punk youth, is IMO a highlight in the new concept!

It lines out what the show is about: A new era is about to begin, mankind takes the first steps in leaving the cradle that is earth! The crew is "green" in terms of alien contact, which is always a big PLUS, the technology is not that far advanced compared to TNG, all in all the whole series is more plausible

Now I don´t know whether that will change during the later seasons, since it´s relatively new here in Europe, but what I have seen so far is the best StarTrek ever

Scott Bakula is great as captain, he has that "kirk touch" but still creates an individual feel to it. Jolene Blalock (the Vulcan chick), as outlined before, is a perfect Number One in both looks and acting
Also most of the other actors fit perfectly into the setting, adding lots of different perspektives

Of course seeing a captain work in the slave mines of some brutal alien race is another step "back to the roots", creating a more human aura to the captain´s figure. (Who could imagine old Picard performing slave labour? )

Younger actors -> more action, less static episodes ->

(Although Captain Jonathan Archer is 51 )

	16-02-2005 15:24									#43
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quote: I'm not sure the success of a scifi show is proportional to the number of legs those aliens have

Oh, c'mon. Dont you grow tired of those cheap costumes and the make up those "perfect english" speaking aliens wear?

We want some intelligent french speaking star traveling lava spitting rock formations!!!

	16-02-2005 15:33									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Daz Oh, c'mon. Dont you grow tired of those cheap costumes and the make up those "perfect english" speaking aliens wear?

Yes

I just think the reason why they are used so often is exactly that they are cheap....budget questions.

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quote: Originally posted by Daz Get rid of english speaking, bipedal, costume wearing aliens.

You want naked quadrupedal Swahili speaking aliens?

With or without compulsory Kirk snogging scenes?

(Noises off as molly projectile vomits)

	16-02-2005 16:17									#46
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oh, so you think this is an anti-english language rant...

	16-02-2005 16:24									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Daz oh, so you think this is an anti-english language rant...

Uhh, no.

	16-02-2005 16:25									#48
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro I'm not sure the success of a scifi show is proportional to the number of legs those aliens have

Two shapely legs is both popular and inexpensive.

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quote: Originally posted by Sikander Two shapely legs is both popular and inexpensive.

Three legged presents intriguing ambiguities....

	16-02-2005 16:33									#50
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Put the show to sleep for a decade, then continue on the same trend as Enterprise S4

I.e. get rid of all the existing staff and use lauded Trek fiction and non-Trek sci-fi writers and producers to write and produce the episodes and give us interesting storylines (original yet firmly founded in the incredibly rich Trek universe) and interesting character developments and relationships (that go beyond showcasing tits&ass).

Theme, premise and character names/genders/species are not really all that important. Good writing is...

	16-02-2005 16:33									#51
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I think Ted is on to something here. Lets throw B5 and DS9 in a blender. Throw in some hot chicks and a lot of FX and hey presto! One bad ass show to go!

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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Three legged presents intriguing ambiguities....

As in, "I thought he had three legs, but it turns out the big one is a sexual organ."?

	16-02-2005 18:04									#53
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quote: As in, "I thought he had three legs, but it turns out the big one is a sexual organ."?

Anyway, a bit more skin (female preferably) wouldnt hurt the cause. But what it really need is a whole new concept. Like, in the beginning, Star Trek hat the transporters. Then came the holodeck. Now it needs something new...

	16-02-2005 20:10									#54
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Real physics.
no treknobabble.
real conflicts.

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quote: Originally posted by Micha Hm, the latest StarTrek series was/is (?) definately far superior to its predecessors. The music theme, though subject to criticism from today´s techno/metal/punk youth, is IMO a highlight in the new concept!

It harps on and on and on about "my soul". Star Trek is supposed to agnostic at worst and atheistic at best. No "my soul", please.

I want a traditional grand orchestral theme, not metal/punk and most definitely not techno.

Unless, of course...

Star Trek: RAMMSTEIN

	16-02-2005 20:24									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha Real physics.

Wouldn't that be kind of boring?

"Set course for Vulcan."
"Course laid in, Sir"
"Maximum speed"
"Yes, sir. Our ETA is 3,4000 years."
"Red Alert! Borg cube sighted at the edge of the solar system. They will reach Earth in about 2 months, sir!"

	16-02-2005 20:31									#57
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Give JMS a shot.

	16-02-2005 20:56									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Wouldn't that be kind of boring? "Set course for Vulcan." "Course laid in, Sir" "Maximum speed" "Yes, sir. Our ETA is 3,4000 years." "Red Alert! Borg cube sighted at the edge of the solar system. They will reach Earth in about 2 months, sir!"

I have a book entitled "The physics of Star Trek" which, in detail, describes Trek things using actual physics. And might I add that such a show would be boring indeed

	16-02-2005 20:56									#59
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Also it would be boring to have that outside-view of some great space battle, but nothing is to be heard... Real Physics suck

	16-02-2005 20:59									#60
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Yeah, those who want real physics can go and watch a documentary about Einstein