16-02-2005 23:39									#1
	I wanna make an Afghan Soviet war scenario Increase the size of your Attachments

I do however need as many units as I can for the era of occupation.

	16-02-2005 23:57									#2
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Units eh? Are you looking for Fairline style units then? What kind of map will you be using? Do you have a rough units list on hand? Who do you see the playable civ's being?

Its certainly an interesting idea, to my knowledge there hasn't been one before. I could easily be wrong, but still I would love to watch this one in particular in development.

	17-02-2005 00:08									#3
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You should finish your Iraqi scn first

	17-02-2005 00:31									#4
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Find Typhoon. He has units up the whazoo for this time period.

	17-02-2005 02:01									#5
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have a T-64 MBT, many russians still think it is better than the T-72, plus the T-64 was used as a base to build the T-80,

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	17-02-2005 02:11									#6
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Very good tank there Erika, did you modify it yourself? Its just the kind of style in armored units that I think would be best used in this case... that is assuming this is indeed an MGE scenario.

	17-02-2005 02:18									#7
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I myself would suggest doing it from the Mujehidin's point of view, as the Soviet perspective may be a bit too easy. Just my opinion, though.

	17-02-2005 02:26									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson You should finish your Iraqi scn first

All in good time. I'm working on them both

quote: Units eh? Are you looking for Fairline style units then? What kind of map will you be using? Do you have a rough units list on hand? Who do you see the playable civ's being?

I'll be using a large map.

One Civ Soviet Army

Another Civ The Afghan Government

the rest, various disparate muhajadeen factions.

The Units?

Hind helicopters, T-72's BMP's various soviet special forces, and Afghan Government troops and Soviet Army forces.

Soviet Bombers Soviet Fighters. I don't really know the makes of such,

The Units I'd like to be along the lines of the design Nemos.

quote: I myself would suggest doing it from the Mujehidin's point of view, as the Soviet perspective may be a bit too easy. Just my opinion, though.

Soviet Frustration in trying to maintain a stable government, and withdraw without the state collapsing would be as good as the Muhajadeen viewpoint.

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quote: Soviet Frustration in trying to maintain a stable government, and withdraw without the state collapsing would be as good as the Muhajadeen viewpoint.

Fair enough point. Another suggestion is working some way to simulate American aid of the Mujehidin factions, either in pure gold, or units generated with stingers and such.

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Already considered

	17-02-2005 23:05									#11
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Ahhh, so your a fan of the Nemo school of design eh? I can respect that. Nemo's graphics were afterall the begining of modern isometric graphics in Civ II.

How many neighboring civ's will you include? Will Iran or Pakistan come into play at all? Perhaps under the storyline that if the Soviets are somehow able to secure Afghanistan that further expansion into Central Asia would be desired? Or looking at it the other way giving other civ's such as Iran or Pakistan to become directly involved in the conflict in one way or another.

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my guess is that iran will be pre-occupied with iraq for a while,

	17-02-2005 23:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Ahhh, so your a fan of the Nemo school of design eh? I can respect that. Nemo's graphics were afterall the begining of modern isometric graphics in Civ II. How many neighboring civ's will you include? Will Iran or Pakistan come into play at all? Perhaps under the storyline that if the Soviets are somehow able to secure Afghanistan that further expansion into Central Asia would be desired? Or looking at it the other way giving other civ's such as Iran or Pakistan to become directly involved in the conflict in one way or another.

Yeah, I could involve Pakistan, but then I'd be worrying about them both declaring war against each other, you how Civ is.

	18-02-2005 21:37									#14
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I just happened tofinish some Soviet troops in Afghanistan a few minutes before reading this thread. Talk about coincidence

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	18-02-2005 21:39									#15
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By vodakov, some excellent Afghan Government forces

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	18-02-2005 21:45									#16
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quote: Originally posted by typhoon I just happened tofinish some Soviet troops in Afghanistan a few minutes before reading this thread. Talk about coincidence

Brilliant

Is it hard to make vehicles? Did the Afghan army have good weapondry, tanks and planes?, was it effective?

	18-02-2005 22:26									#17
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Oh I wouldn't think you'd need to design most of the vehicles yourself Communism. We've come to a point in Civ II scenario making that I'm sure many if not all of the units you'll be needing have already been made.

I know for a fact that there are plenty of Soviet hellicopters, fighters and bombers... not to mention the boatloads of Soviet tanks available. I'm sure if you post a preliminary unit list with specific makes and models and perhaps a reference pic or two then the units will just come flooding in.

Also, I'm somewhat of a flag and unit shield graphic designer if your in need of some period flags as well.

	18-02-2005 23:15									#18
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quote: Oh I wouldn't think you'd need to design most of the vehicles yourself Communism

Sorry, its just that am not really good at drawing and designing vehicles.

heres the map I made though, it won't let me attach it though, because its designed to be opened with media player.

	18-02-2005 23:27									#19
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Here it is

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	19-02-2005 04:36									#20
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quote: Originally posted by communism Did the Afghan army have good weapondry, tanks and planes?, was it effective?

Rather than rely on random bits of history, why don't you try researching the topic for yourself?

AFAIK, Lester W. Grau is the leading English language writer on the war. Quite a few of his articles (including some brief, but informative, histories of the war) are available online via the US Army's Foreign Military Studies Office and would make a good starting point. Check them out at: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil

	19-02-2005 05:15									#21
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Toyota trucks

	19-02-2005 09:40									#22
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IIRC correctly the Soviets would be using more or less the same kind of weaponry they would in Europe, with several exceptions. For example the more sophisticated tanks such as the T-72 and T-80 would not be present as they had a weaker suspension and could not handle the rocky Afghan terrain. So the mainstay of the Soviet Armoured divisions would be tanks such as the T-55 and T-62, with AFVs such as the BRDM, BMP, and some airdroppable tanks and self-propelled guns in use with the paratroopers.

We would also see a heavy reliance on helicopters like the US did in Vietnam. In this case we should expect to see use of the Mi-24 Hind as an attack/transport helicopter and the Mi-8 as a transport helicopter. As for aircraft, the Sovs made extensive use of attack aircraft like the Su-25 Frogfoot because of the type of warfare they were facing.

The Afghan National Army proably used the same kind of equipment, albeit less advanced.

The Muhajadeen, of course, basically fight on foot and horseback, or on Toyota trucks as Harry has pointed out.

	19-02-2005 13:48									#23
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I believe the soviets also made extensive use of the Tu-22's and the Muj definitely need to be equipped with stingers.

	19-02-2005 20:18									#24
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were there any T-64's in use during the afghan war?
and here is a brdm2, made by jimmy, tweaked by me

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	19-02-2005 20:33									#25
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Here are a bunch of sites on the subject
http://users.sedona.net/~strand/Nur...AnvarJihad.html
http://militaryhistory.about.com/cs...anwar/index.htm
http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Afghan_War.html
http://www.da.mod.uk/CSRC/documents.../A102/file_view
http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/grasovforeword.html
http://www.aviapress.com/viewonekit.htm?ICM-35281
Hope they help, the last page is a model kit page but they give an idea of what vehicles were used in afghanistan, you just have to browse around a bit,

	19-02-2005 21:32									#26
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Here is a BMD-2 Airbourne fighting vehicle, these were used in the afghan war,

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	20-02-2005 02:07									#27
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Thank you people. What d'ya think of the map I made?

	20-02-2005 04:18									#28
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What map?

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson What map?

scroll up, i believe it is the .scn file,

anyways here are some btr 70's, made by jimmy, tweaked by me,
these were used by the soviets alot during the afghan war

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