17-02-2005 00:37									#1
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Canada now has to live up to the Kyoto Global Warming Accord. Canada has to roll back to its 1990 greenhouse gas emissions by 2012. But Canadas emissions have been growing by 1.5 percent a year. It gets cold up there!!! And they drive cars like the US does. Thank god the US didnt sign.

	17-02-2005 00:43									#2
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hey, a good thread to post this picture.

	17-02-2005 00:45									#3
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Sheesh, that is some difference.

MWHC, drive decent cars, not those American bricks!

	17-02-2005 00:45									#4
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Yes! We should never, ever be concerned about the environment and above all else, never look at reducing emissions!

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Uh.... I don't think individuals are bound to the treaty. And I'm sure we won't be any colder than usual.

	17-02-2005 00:47									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Yes! We should never, ever be concerned about the environment and above all else, never look at reducing emissions!

The issue with Kyoto is that it screws nations like Canada and the United States, which have a developed industrial base, and it lets completely off the hook an la nation like China, which has no restrictions and is allowed to build factories and pollute like crazy in order to catch up with the rest.

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Sheesh, that is some difference. MWHC, drive decent cars, not those American bricks!

There's nothing wrong with American cars. Its those trucks disguised as "SUVs" that are the problem...

	17-02-2005 00:48									#8
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I'm starting to suspect you have Canada envy MWHC. How else to explain your obsession with all topics Canadian?

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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I'm starting to suspect you have Canada envy MWHC. How else to explain your obsession with all topics Canadian?

I just picked canada because I think this will hurt them the most.

	17-02-2005 00:52									#10
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV The issue with Kyoto is that it screws nations like Canada and the United States, which have a developed industrial base, and it lets completely off the hook an la nation like China, which has no restrictions and is allowed to build factories and pollute like crazy in order to catch up with the rest.

MWHC, take a look.



The fact that China and the US haven't signed on to this, given their overall output of emissions, is a disgrace.

	17-02-2005 00:53									#11
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV The issue with Kyoto is that it screws nations like Canada and the United States, which have a developed industrial base, and it lets completely off the hook an la nation like China, which has no restrictions and is allowed to build factories and pollute like crazy in order to catch up with the rest.

Yup, all us Euro's are all still living in caves.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn There's nothing wrong with American cars. Its those trucks disguised as "SUVs" that are the problem...

Its just that PH has this small car fetish

	17-02-2005 00:55									#13
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quote: Originally posted by alva Yup, all us Euro's are all still living in caves.

I dont think ALL of you are. A good number... but not all.

	17-02-2005 00:56									#14
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn MWHC, take a look. The fact that China and the US haven't signed on to this, given their overall output of emissions, is a disgrace.

why should we (US) sign up?? whats in it for us?? why let all the little guys catch up??

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Sheesh, that is some difference.

Yeah, that's what happens when you take one picture in the winter, and another in the summer.

The mountains west of Calgary look like that every year, it's cyclical.

	17-02-2005 00:59									#16
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hmmm

I haven't looked at the details but in a fair treaty Canada should be ok if credit is given for natural gas production.

OH and diss nice pic--- but on the other side, geologists have found stumps and trees underground in the far Canadian north above the current tree line -- this indicates a more temperate climate in that region in the past

	17-02-2005 01:00									#17
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By the way, here's Canada's token effort to abiding by Kyoto: http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/onetonne/english/






Ohhh, Canada...

	17-02-2005 01:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV The issue with Kyoto is that it screws nations like Canada and the United States, which have a developed industrial base, and it lets completely off the hook an la nation like China, which has no restrictions and is allowed to build factories and pollute like crazy in order to catch up with the rest.

How is that in any way relevant? Kyoto may not be the best framework (it's probably not, in fact), but is your argument really "as long as China isn't a signatory, we should never do anything about our own emissions"?

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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV why should we (US) sign up?? whats in it for us?? why let all the little guys catch up??

Well, a healthier environment for one thing.

And what this does is provide very real incentives towards creating a more efficient and cleaner industrial base. Once this happens, and it already is, it will be you guys (the US) playing catch up. Its temporary pain for long term gain.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher By the way, here's Canada's token effort to abiding by Kyoto: http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/onetonne/english/ Ohhh, Canada...

I hate Rick Mercer

	17-02-2005 01:05									#21
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn I hate Rick Mercer

I'm waiting for them to pull out all the stops and get Rita MacNeil to be their spokesperson.



Or Maybe Anne Murray?

	17-02-2005 01:06									#22
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i just dont agree. what good will it do the earth if the US does this and a enormous nation like China does not?? It will not help the planet... only hurt those nations which have a developed industrial base.

	17-02-2005 01:06									#23
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV why should we (US) sign up?? whats in it for us?? why let all the little guys catch up??

why should all the little guys give a **** about your (the US's) concerns? yet you bomb the hell out of them...

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn I hate Rick Mercer

Really? Why? He rants just like I do, according to my wife.

	17-02-2005 01:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis why should all the little guys give a **** about your (the US's) concerns? yet you bomb the hell out of them...

who ever said they should? or do?? As far as the bombing... well... you know where i stand on that.

	17-02-2005 01:13									#26
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in the greenhouse ?

but basically i agree that the developping countries should also be bound to treaties like kyoto. however, the fact that they won't commit themselves doesn't let the greatest emitor of greenhouse gasses of the hook though. your cars still burn twice as much fuel as the average european car. heck, i wouldn't even consider buying a car that uses more than 7l/100km. mine currently uses about 4.5l/100km.

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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki How is that in any way relevant? Kyoto may not be the best framework (it's probably not, in fact), but is your argument really "as long as China isn't a signatory, we should never do anything about our own emissions"?

from whitehouse.gov

US GHG goals:

"Reduce the Greenhouse Gas Intensity of the U.S. Economy by 18 Percent in the Next Ten Years. Greenhouse gas intensity measures the ratio of greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions to economic output. This new approach focuses on reducing the growth of GHG emissions, while sustaining the economic growth needed to finance investment in new, clean energy technologies. It sets America on a path to slow the growth of greenhouse gas emissions, and – as the science justifies – to stop and then reverse that growth:
In efficiency terms, the 183 metric tons of emissions per million dollars GDP that we emit today will be lowered to 151 metric tons per million dollars GDP in 2012.
Existing trends and efforts in technology improvement will play a significant role. Beyond that, the President's commitment will achieve 100 million metric tons of reduced emissions in 2012 alone, with more than 500 million metric tons in cumulative savings over the entire decade.
This goal is comparable to the average progress that nations participating in the Kyoto Protocol are required to achieve. "

	17-02-2005 01:24									#28
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quote: Originally posted by My Wife Hates CIV I just picked canada because I think this will hurt them the most.

You are under the mistaken impression we will actually fulfill our commitments to Kyoto.

	17-02-2005 01:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil You are under the mistaken impression we will actually fulfill our commitments to Kyoto.

i dont think any of the members who signed up will. Or even can!

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We can't unless the feds want to hammer Alberta again. Despite the Liberals obvious contempt for all things western, I doubt they have the stomach or gonads to try that fight again.