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In this thread I hope to consolidate our Gaian diplomacy efforts.
I sent this to Chaos theory after Illuminatus told me that he was not a member of the team anymore (he still serves as modertor).
If I don't get a response back from Chaos Theory before I have to post I'll offer a treaty preaccepted.
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Hello Chaos Theory,
I sent the below to Illuminatus last night. I understand from him that he posted it in your internal forums.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Mead
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I'll have to post the Morgan turn in six hours due to RL obligations and I would like to, if possible, finalize a trade with you before then.
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Mead wrote on 17-02-2005 23:31:
Hello Illuminatus
It is good to meet you.
I will need to log off shortly for the evening but will log on again tomorrow. The Corporation is very pleased to make your acquantince and would be happy to work with you in matters of that would be mutually beneficial.
Please let us know how we can be of assistance?
Mead
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I would give a more lengthy greeting, but it is very late for me right now (I'm tired) and I wanted to give you a heads as soon as possible so we can discuss business tomorrow before I have to post the turn. (i.e. what would you like from us and what would you like to offer in return)
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PM exchange between Chaos Theory and myself re: tech trades and treaty:
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Chaos Theory wrote on 18-02-2005 14:09:
I just woke up. There is no need for a hasty trade. We can spend a turn or two discussing our goals and desires before deciding on future actions.
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I don't want to rush you, although we are concerned that th Spartans are running away with the game and it may be too late to stop them already, but if you prefer we can discuss tech trades later.
I have finished playing the turn and posted it in the intenal Morgan forum. Because I have to go away for the weekend, I will no be able to post it in the turn playe thread.
I asked #endgme to review the turn, send a treaty to you preaccepted, and post the turn in the turnplayer thread.
I propose that you accept the treaty while we discuss possible tech trades in the future.
Mead
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I believe you will find a Treaty offered to you preaccepted in the Turn. I was unable to finish or post the turn but asked jtsisyoda to put it in the diplo box.
I ask you accept the treaty.
I also ask you to send us a Pact back to us.
I am very concerned that Sparta is running away with the game and if we do not act quickly we will be unable to stop them.
We have both HEC and Impact availalble for trade. Please let me know what techs you have available for trade.
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Originally posted by jtsisyoda
I'm sorry, I must've missed your message-- I didn't put any treaty in the diplo box. Since I didn't open the original turn, I wasn't 100% sure we had their commlink from the DA (in the time I had to finsih the turn I couldn't figure this out). Please tell them it was an intra-team communication error on my part, and we still want a treaty. |
OK.
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If there is still a chance to survive Sparta I propose that Gaians, DA, Morgans form a Pact alliance.
Mead
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It may be too late to hold back the Spartans but we can try.
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Chaos Theory accepted the Pact, see below:
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Re: Greetings From the Corporation
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Chaos Theory wrote on 04-03-2005 19:30:
We have chosen to accept your offer of a Pact. Included with this acceptance are diplobots. We have discovered that electronic diplomats are much more efficient than the conventional kind, and every bit as able to process your questions and respond to unexpected situations. Tampering with diplobots may cause them to sprout mind worms, and is not recommended.
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We are greatly pleased to welcome you as a Pactmate. We look forward to working with you.
Mead
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What do they mean by diplobots? Is that just roleplay or are they something real?
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I sent this to Chaos.
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Are you in Pact with the DA yet?
We are not yet in Pact with them. If you are not yet in Pact with the DA do you mind us telling them that we are in Pact with you.
Mead
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If they Pact with us they will, of course, realize that we are Pacted with you as well.
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Since we are now Pacted please review what we have in the way of techs and offer proposals of how we can both can quickly reach DAP and choppers.
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Originally posted by AndiD
Suggestion: We gift SotHB and EnvEcon to Gaia and they should switch to Neural Grafting which they will give us in return as soon as they finished researching it. => Leapfrogging to BioEng and MMI. |
I am worried about bringing them up to speed tech wise unless we a re truly in a deathfight with Sparta.
I'm thinking about it.
Mead
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We would like to offer you Env Eco and SotHB in return for you changing your research priority to Neural Grafting for you to reseach it and send it to us once you get Neural Grafting.
Once you receive Env Eco and SotHB from us you should be able your reasearch goal to Neural Grafting. And having Env Eco, you should be able to resaerch a lot faster.
Mead
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We would also like to trade maps with you showing the extent of Sparta's sprawl. thye have the borehole cluster, Manifold Nexus, Unity Crash Wreckage, plus their own continent and most (except 3 cities) of Uni. Their homeland is North of you.
Do you need a copy of Sparta's map?
Do you have infiltration of Sparta?
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Based upon what we have learned of Sparta's mass and capabilities I propose that Morgan, Gaia, and DA form a 3 way Pact for a period of time (let's set it for 15 years?). There should be a set period of time we can all agree to.
With the joint Pact we might be able to hold off Sparta. |
Let's hold off sending Gaia the screenshots of Sparta for now. We already have them as a Pactmate. My intent for sending the screenshots to the DA is to try to influence them to become a Pactmate. I have no problem in trading maps with Gaia, but don't want to give them the screenshots 'for free' when we don't have to.
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Did you get my PM on the proposed tech trade?
We are offering to send you Enviromental Economics and Secrets of the Human Brain in return for you swapping to Nerual Grafting once you get Env Eco and SotHB from us (you should not lose any lab points) and sending it to us once you get Neural Grafting.
Mead
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I apologize if you already tried to PM me, but my PM box was overfilled. I have since emptied it somewhat. We know have the turn let me know if you agree before our turn is up. If you agree we can send you Env Eco and SotHB preapproved this turn. |
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Let me know what you decide before we have to post the turn. If you have other suggestions as to what to research after env eco let me know.
Mead
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Chaos Theory wrote on 14-03-2005 03:45:
I received it and posted it to our forums, but we have not reached a decision yet regarding this.
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Mead wrote on 14-03-2005 03:09:
Chaos
Did you get my PM on the proposed tech trade?
We are offering to send you Enviromental Economics and Secrets of the Human Brain in return for you swapping to Nerual Grafting once you get Env Eco and SotHB from us (you should not lose any lab points) and sending it to us once you get Neural Grafting.
Mead
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I apologize if you already tried to PM me, but my PM box was overfilled. I have since emptied it somewhat. We know have the turn let me know if you agree before our turn is up. If you agree we can send you Env Eco and SotHB preapproved this turn.
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I'm not up to speed yet, but the gaians are at war with the Hive, could we subsidize their probing of tech from Yang upon his successful research of D AP? Never mind, they have far to many techs to get.
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Chaos Theory wrote on 15-03-2005 02:50:
Again, we are considering your claims, but find your proposed tech trade odd, since Neural Grafting doesn't make a particularly effective defense against needlejets. The two major ways to defend against or counter air are AAA and SAM. The former is available with AMA, which is not within easy reach. The latter is available with D:AP, for which you have both prereqs and we have one prereq.
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We were hoping that we (DA, Gaia, or Morgan) to liberate DAP from the Hive in four years. Even though their tech rate shows that the Hive will get it in 5 years, at the rate their tech rate is accelerating they'll get it in 4 years. I think with your tech rate, even with getting Env Eco this turn the Hive will get DAP first.
Maybe SAM. I'll post in our forum.
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Originally posted by AndiD
The idea was to get _clean reactors_ sooner so that we actually can support a number of air units and still make some new ones. We'll get D:AP from the Hive (and would share it, too) and with it the option, to upgrade our units to SAM. |
You want me to pass this onto Chaos?
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Chaos Theory wrote on 15-03-2005 02:50:
Again, we are considering your claims, but find your proposed tech trade odd, since Neural Grafting doesn't make a particularly effective defense against needlejets. The two major ways to defend against or counter air are AAA and SAM. The former is available with AMA, which is not within easy reach. The latter is available with D:AP, for which you have both prereqs and we have one prereq.
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Also, in addition to us being able to get DAP from the Hive, as you can see, we are researching NG now.
If we can research NG through your efforts then we'll swap to something else, we get DAP from the Hive then we can get a whole bunch of stuff through our efforts. And, if the DA wants to work with us we might be able to make this happen a lot sooner.
Mead
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I notice that you have an artifact. Do you need some cash to rush a Net Node to plug that artifact in? |
How about we trade all tech to Gaia in return for all their tech (I think they don't have any we don't have right now), they rush a net node, plug their artifact in, we rush a net node, plug our artifact in? Maybe steal DAP from the Hive before we plug the artifacts in?
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How does this sound for a plan?
We send you Env Eco and SotHB;
You switch to NG (no loss of lab points);
We send you enough cash so you can rush a net node in the base where your artifact is (or at least one move away);
If we can get DAP before you hook up the artifact to the node then we send it to you (unless your probes got it DAP first);
We send you all the techs we have before you cash in the artifact;
You cash in your artifact and send the tech you get to us;
We rush a net node in one of our bases, get the artifact back home and hook our artifact to it and send the tech to you;
If we have time and we do this right we should get 3 or four, mayby five techs real quick.
If the DA cooperate we might even get more.
Mead
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Without the DA's cooperation it might not be worth it for us.
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Even with the DA's cooperation we may not survive.
If we only had 8 more turns. If, if, if, if. |
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I wonder where Sparta's forces are located... Infiltration would be really handy. I wonder if the Gaians have also been infilatrated.
I think we should at least give them nonlinear mathematics. (a relatively obselete tech). They'd be able to get that tech from some of the other nations.
Keep in mind that our pact is bringing in lots of commerce (~40 Energy turn)...
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Re: Assitance from our Allies
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Ouro_827 wrote on 01-04-2005 17:10:
With Sparta now starting to build its Air Power up, the Alliance between Morgan and Gaia must stand firm. As such, Gaian scientists have been working hard to combat Air Power! However, for the extra boost we need to complete our project, and put that effort from theory and apply our research on it, we need your Synthetic Fossil Fuels! With such, the Alliance might be able to hold strong against the Spartan threat! Morgan has this, and we ask for it, to better our alliance! Ouro
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I had earlier proposed to Gaia that we give you all of our tech, you give us all of your tech, we loan you enough cash to rush a net node for the artifact you have you share that tech with us, then we rush a net node for the artifact we have and we share that tech with you. This way we could really leapfrog tech wise. Gaia didn't respond so I thought you were not interested
I have not been that active with the game recently (having thought that Sparta already won it) but I can check with my team to see if they are still interested.
Mead
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BTW We expect to acquire DAP very shortly. If so, I believe that would be included in the techs we would share with you.
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I am not sure all this is worth the effort unless we can get the DA to cooperate with the 3 way pact to try to counter the Spartans.
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18-02-2005 19:18
Let's hope the DA consider joining - maybe an "unofficial" pact not to disturb the Spartans reading infoboxes...
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