20-02-2005 02:18									#31
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	20-02-2005 02:32									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar One is working for the empowerment of their people, and the other is working to bring all the power to themselves.

Are you really believing this?

	20-02-2005 02:41									#33
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quote: It doesn't matter what the mainlanders would feel. Hawaiians has a right to self-determination. If a majority or super-majority supports independence, Hawaii should become an independent nation.

Last I heard, the majority of people on Taiwan preferred the status quo - no independence, no unification, just wait to see what happens.

I support that, but unification is inevitable.

	20-02-2005 07:12									#34
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Democrats also to become communists.

	20-02-2005 07:40									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Because the Chinese Communist Party can lead us to socialism, whereas the Republican Party cannot. Right now the CCP is simply returning power to the workers which is a process that must be contrlled very carefully. If they must silence capitalists in the process, then so be it. The Republicans, on the other hand, are silencing their opposition so that they can have nearly uncontrolled power within the American government! One is working for the empowerment of their people, and the other is working to bring all the power to themselves. Note: Troll

Given that it shows your username by your post, the "note" was unnecessary even without reading the post

EDIT: nevermind, I see Spiffor of all people fell for the bait! 9.5/10

	20-02-2005 08:34									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar You people have such little faith in me. It really is kind of disheartening.

Don't take it personally. Every one of us can have misplaced faith, and it was possible IMHO that you put misplaced faith in the Chinese government. It surprised me however, because of your strong pro-freedom of speech and anti-dictatorship opinions.

	20-02-2005 08:40									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker EDIT: nevermind, I see Spiffor of all people fell for the bait! 9.5/10

Weel, at least I'm glad I helped you tass having a good mark

	20-02-2005 08:45									#38
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quote: Both are extremely conservative holding their own values above those of minorities or other nations.

Not true. The communist party of China works for peace and cooperation between all kind of people.

quote: Both are building/have built up militaries for aggressive campaigns: the US invasion of another country, China's planned decimation of a neighboring country.

Not true. The communist party of China only keeps a nessecary strength to avoid agression from the capitalist world.

quote: Both support and encourage big business by offering tax breaks and looking the other way on corruption.

Not true. The communist party of China cracks down hardly on any kind of nonparty member activities that tries to undermine the legal partymemebers activites.

quote: Both have government officials either holding high positions in companies or have wealth invested in companies.

Of course - no other than party members are educated enough to take care of such kind of operations.

quote: Both are corrupt beyond reproach.

Not true. All incomes from partymembers goes to the common treasure to benefit the whole population.

quote: Both attempt to restrict civil liberties of their own people.

Not true. Any chinese citizen can say what he want as long as the party has approved it.

quote: Both engage in the inhumane torture of prisoners.

Certainly not. After a swift meeting with a judge all prisoners are cleanly shot in the backhead in full public so everyone can see that the legal system works.

quote: Both have a leader who was put into power without the majority of the people's support (at least once in their political careers).

This is pure BS. The leader of the Communist party in China are found by free elections among the party members.

quote: Both promote intolerance of another racial group.

Not true. The party hasn't any intolerance towards the chinese in Tibet - they just react against those rebellion chinese that think Tibet isn't a chinese province.

quote: Both encorage patriotism and nationalism as a means to justify their authority.

Not true. The authority of the party grows from the people.

quote: Both also purport their way of life or culture as being superior and generally more 'good' than others.

Thats just the law of history - who can fight that ?

quote: Both pay lip service to environment concerns while allowing industry to pollute heavily in the name of economic advancement.

This is pure BS. Don't you know that one of the main concerns of the party is to preserve the earth for the future party members ?

quote: Both ignore the pleas of the working class.

That is certainly not true. The party does every thing it can to protect the workers - especially those who works in coalmines.

quote: Both support/have supported terrorist organizations or rogue states.

Not true. The communist party of China only supports organisations and states that wants to make a better world.

quote: Both behave unilaterally in world politics.

What are you talking about ? The communist party of China are always on the side of those who supports the views of the communist party of China.

quote: Both restrict freedom of speech.

Already answered,

quote: Both use a philosophy intended for peace and understanding as the backbone and justification of their party, while failing to adhere to any of the requirements of their respective philosophies.

BS. The communist party of China are a pure peaceloving party which has grown from the people.

quote: So I wonder: If the Republican Party changed its name to the Communist Party without actually changing any of its policies, would it gain more support from liberals and communists?

It is certainly unfair of you to compare the suppressing, fascistic and capitalistic democratic party of US (even if they lost the last election) with the peaceloving and humane communist party of China. Shame on you.

	20-02-2005 11:12									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: It doesn't matter what the mainlanders would feel. Hawaiians has a right to self-determination. If a majority or super-majority supports independence, Hawaii should become an independent nation. Last I heard, the majority of people on Taiwan preferred the status quo - no independence, no unification, just wait to see what happens. I support that, but unification is inevitable.

It's as inevitable as democracy in Cuba

	20-02-2005 12:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi What is the difference between the Communist party in China and the Republican party in America? Other than the obvious. I guess my question is, why do some many communists support the party in China and denounce the party in America? Both are extremely conservative holding their own values above those of minorities or other nations. Both are building/have built up militaries for aggressive campaigns: the US invasion of another country, China's planned decimation of a neighboring country. Both support and encourage big business by offering tax breaks and looking the other way on corruption. Both have government officials either holding high positions in companies or have wealth invested in companies. Both are corrupt beyond reproach. Both attempt to restrict civil liberties of their own people. Both engage in the inhumane torture of prisoners. Both have a leader who was put into power without the majority of the people's support (at least once in their political careers). Both promote intolerance of another racial group. Both encorage patriotism and nationalism as a means to justify their authority. Both also purport their way of life or culture as being superior and generally more 'good' than others. Both pay lip service to environment concerns while allowing industry to pollute heavily in the name of economic advancement. Both ignore the pleas of the working class. Both support/have supported terrorist organizations or rogue states. Both behave unilaterally in world politics. Both restrict freedom of speech. Both use a philosophy intended for peace and understanding as the backbone and justification of their party, while failing to adhere to any of the requirements of their respective philosophies. So I wonder: If the Republican Party changed its name to the Communist Party without actually changing any of its policies, would it gain more support from liberals and communists?

You forgot the demo, both parties in this country are the same.

	20-02-2005 12:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc quote: It's part of China. I'm curious. How can something be said to be apart of a country when said country hasn't had sovereignty over the "rebel province" for decades?

Change that to NEVER had control over Taiwan in the history of China. I have read the history of Taiwan.

	20-02-2005 12:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: It doesn't matter what the mainlanders would feel. Hawaiians has a right to self-determination. If a majority or super-majority supports independence, Hawaii should become an independent nation. Last I heard, the majority of people on Taiwan preferred the status quo - no independence, no unification, just wait to see what happens. I support that, but unification is inevitable.

You need to read Taiwan history. How can you have Unification when they have never been together.

	20-02-2005 12:48									#43
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Manifest Destiny.

	20-02-2005 16:13									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Change that to NEVER had control over Taiwan in the history of China.

Err, what country lost Formose to the Japanese then?

	20-02-2005 16:40									#45
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Not the Peoples Republic of China, certainly.

	20-02-2005 16:44									#46
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The PRC has as much claim over Taiwan as the Russian Federation has over Khazikstan. Less, actually, since they have no connection to the Chinese government that did have claim over it.

	20-02-2005 16:47									#47
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk The PRC has as much claim over Taiwan as the Russian Federation has over Khazikstan. Less, actually, since they have no connection to the Chinese government that did have claim over it.

I don't see how the link between the PRC and imperial China is any less than the link between the Russian Federation and Tsarist or Soviet Russia.

	20-02-2005 16:56									#48
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The Russians were able to back their claim with steel. The PRC wasn't.

	20-02-2005 17:03									#49
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When the Communists took over Russia, they had to reconquer the territory, and they did, in spite of what the world threw against them. That's why they owned it, even without a "legitimate" handover from the Tsars.

The Russian Federation was the result of a (mostly) peaceful handover of power from the old USSR. Note that the territory is much smaller. The reason it is much smaller, however you may wish to candycoat it, is that they were incapable of holding the larger territory, and knew it, so they let it go.

The PRC dosen't own Taiwan because they couldn't take it, not in fifty years.

	20-02-2005 21:21									#50
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What is this Taiwan? You guys mean The Republic of China?

Maybe you guys should start studying the ROC Constitution and what is says about the Island and its connection to Mainland China- last I remember, it states categorically that the Island IS part of China, it just disagrees about which of the two governments if the rightful government of the whole thing _ heck, I remmber this time when the China seat in the UN was held by the ROC, not the PRC.

	21-02-2005 02:51									#51
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quote: Originally posted by GePap What is this Taiwan? You guys mean The Republic of China? Maybe you guys should start studying the ROC Constitution and what is says about the Island and its connection to Mainland China- last I remember, it states categorically that the Island IS part of China, it just disagrees about which of the two governments if the rightful government of the whole thing _ heck, I remmber this time when the China seat in the UN was held by the ROC, not the PRC.

You of all should know better. After WW II Chiang was getting his a$$ kick by the Commie, so he needed a place to go, so he invaded Taiwan and kill thousand to take control of the Island and of course rename it, The Republic of China. It was then that the PRC later claim that Taiwan was part of China.
A bit of history. When the Dutch arrived in 1680 or so, not one Chinese person lived on the Island. All of the people were Polynesians and they told the Dutch that their Grandfather, Grandfather had lived on the Island.
They also said that from time to time Chinese Pirates would used the Island to hide from the Chinese Navy. It was the Dutch that brought the Chinese to the Island to work (Slaves) for the Dutch.
I support a free and Independence Taiwan.
I have been there.

	21-02-2005 03:08									#52
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There is an ongoing process to change the constitution to reflect present day conditions, already, the provincial level government has been eliminated.

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quote: Originally posted by Joseph You of all should know better. After WW II Chiang was getting his a$$ kick by the Commie, so he needed a place to go, so he invaded Taiwan and kill thousand to take control of the Island and of course rename it, The Republic of China. It was then that the PRC later claim that Taiwan was part of China. A bit of history. When the Dutch arrived in 1680 or so, not one Chinese person lived on the Island. All of the people were Polynesians and they told the Dutch that their Grandfather, Grandfather had lived on the Island. They also said that from time to time Chinese Pirates would used the Island to hide from the Chinese Navy. It was the Dutch that brought the Chinese to the Island to work (Slaves) for the Dutch. I support a free and Independence Taiwan. I have been there.

What Joseph said.

	21-02-2005 07:42									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph After WW II Chiang was getting his a$$ kick by the Commie, so he needed a place to go, so he invaded Taiwan and kill thousand to take control of the Island and of course rename it, The Republic of China. It was then that the PRC later claim that Taiwan was part of China.

I don't know which universe you live in, but it is not ours.

	21-02-2005 07:48									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley There is an ongoing process to change the constitution to reflect present day conditions, already, the provincial level government has been eliminated.

That's several years back when Lee messed around to get rid of Sung. That led to him exiting from the KMT and splintering the party, giving Chen an easy shot at the presidency.

	21-02-2005 07:49									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I don't know which universe you live in, but it is not ours.

If by "ours" you mean "the Party's", then yes, you are correct!

	21-02-2005 07:53									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker If by "ours" you mean "the Party's", then yes, you are correct!

	21-02-2005 07:54									#58
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100-nil!

	21-02-2005 08:23									#59
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what about tibet?

	21-02-2005 08:46									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker 100-nil!

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