19-02-2005 10:28									#1
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What is the difference between the Communist party in China and the Republican party in America? Other than the obvious. I guess my question is, why do some many communists support the party in China and denounce the party in America?

Both are extremely conservative holding their own values above those of minorities or other nations.

Both are building/have built up militaries for aggressive campaigns: the US invasion of another country, China's planned decimation of a neighboring country.

Both support and encourage big business by offering tax breaks and looking the other way on corruption.

Both have government officials either holding high positions in companies or have wealth invested in companies.

Both are corrupt beyond reproach.

Both attempt to restrict civil liberties of their own people.

Both engage in the inhumane torture of prisoners.

Both have a leader who was put into power without the majority of the people's support (at least once in their political careers).

Both promote intolerance of another racial group.

Both encorage patriotism and nationalism as a means to justify their authority.

Both also purport their way of life or culture as being superior and generally more 'good' than others.

Both pay lip service to environment concerns while allowing industry to pollute heavily in the name of economic advancement.

Both ignore the pleas of the working class.

Both support/have supported terrorist organizations or rogue states.

Both behave unilaterally in world politics.

Both restrict freedom of speech.

Both use a philosophy intended for peace and understanding as the backbone and justification of their party, while failing to adhere to any of the requirements of their respective philosophies.



So I wonder: If the Republican Party changed its name to the Communist Party without actually changing any of its policies, would it gain more support from liberals and communists?

	19-02-2005 10:31									#2
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	19-02-2005 10:45									#3
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Tass, although not directly, this is a good question for you.

I imagine I'll anger both sides. Oh well.

	19-02-2005 12:31									#5
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There is a big difference.

China's economy is growing at double digit rates.

The US economy is not.

	19-02-2005 12:58									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar We aren't all connected to a hive mind - I do try to think independently once in a while

Tass, you've claimed support for the Chinese government, but have condemned the Republicans. I want to know how you can support one ultra-right group and denounce the other.

	19-02-2005 12:59									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley There is a big difference. China's economy is growing at double digit rates. The US economy is not.

Somehow I doubt that improving the economy will greatly improve Republicans' image among liberals.

	19-02-2005 13:20									#8
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@ DaShi. Excellent OP

	19-02-2005 13:37									#9
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quote: China's planned decimation of a neighboring country.

I take it you mean Taiwan, the last remaining province from the Chinese civil war.

It's part of China. What would the US do if part of it seceded? Wait.. we already know.

It's a moot point anyway, Taiwan and China will effectively be merged in 50 years time. Look how many Taiwanese people live in Shanghai.

What''s funny is that the US will be left looking like prats as Taiwan becomes part of China by osmosis.

	19-02-2005 13:42									#10
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quote: What''s funny is that the US will be left looking like prats as Taiwan becomes part of China by osmosis.

I think that's a silly as Hell statement. Cultural exchange is one thing, but Taiwanese government wants voting & self-determination and Chinese doesn't. It's kind of hard for one to voluntarily become part of the other. After all, Hong Kong residents wanted to stay with Britian over going over the China (and as years after that transfer have shown us, for good reason).

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quote: I think that's a silly as Hell statement. Cultural exchange is one thing, but Taiwanese government wants voting & self-determination and Chinese doesn't. It's kind of hard for one to voluntarily become part of the other. After all, Hong Kong residents wanted to stay with Britian over going over the China (and as years after that transfer have shown us, for good reason).

Have you noticed that China is becoming more market oriented? Have you noticed that Taiwanese "democracy" has long been a bit of a joke?

In time their social and economic systems will become so similar, and so many people from Taiwan will be living and conducting business in China. The Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese - in a few decades any reason for Taiwan's separate existence will have disappeared, and people will have forgotten about Hong Kong too.

What is this American delusion about Taiwan?

	19-02-2005 14:09									#12
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You aren't seriously believing what you are writing are you? China being market oriented means nothing with its political instututions? You do realize that Taiwan continues to elect politicians whom China would like to put a muzzle on? Unless China's Communist Party collapses, there ain't going to be a merging.

	19-02-2005 14:16									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: China's planned decimation of a neighboring country. I take it you mean Taiwan, the last remaining province from the Chinese civil war. It's part of China. What would the US do if part of it seceded? Wait.. we already know.

Yes, that's sort of the point of this thread.

quote: It's a moot point anyway, Taiwan and China will effectively be merged in 50 years time. Look how many Taiwanese people live in Shanghai.

I certainly hope so. The massive build up of ships and missiles along with the usual rhetoric seems to indicate that they are preparing for a different solution.

	19-02-2005 14:59									#14
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quote: You aren't seriously believing what you are writing are you? China being market oriented means nothing with its political instututions? You do realize that Taiwan continues to elect politicians whom China would like to put a muzzle on? Unless China's Communist Party collapses, there ain't going to be a merging.

China is slowly liberalizing. No-one will recognize the place in 20 years. Look at the changes in the last 10. The Taiwanese are invading China, not the other way around. As usual business interests will tend to lead political ones.

Only Americans have this thing about Taiwan. It's similar to the distorted perspective they have on Israel. Perhaps if the US media actually reported these issues properly, people wouldn't be so silly.

In any case, Taiwan is part of China. The Chinese are correct to note that it is a rebel province. How would the Americans feel if Hawaii declared independence and the Chinese started meddling in its affairs.

The US should mind its own business.

quote: I certainly hope so. The massive build up of ships and missiles along with the usual rhetoric seems to indicate that they are preparing for a different solution.

Sabre rattling. Nothing more.

	19-02-2005 15:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui After all, Hong Kong residents wanted to stay with Britian over going over the China (and as years after that transfer have shown us, for good reason).

Neither of your points is true.

	19-02-2005 18:04									#16
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quote: What is the difference between the Communist party in China and the Republican party in America? Other than the obvious.

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	19-02-2005 20:01									#17
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The project goes well, I see. I must tip my hat to our great chairman, Ted Striker.

	19-02-2005 20:03									#18
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Super Troll!

	19-02-2005 20:20									#19
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this thread is great!

	19-02-2005 20:24									#20
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You have to admit it took great effort to make the troll

And the point remains valid: there are plenty of things which are worthy of praise when done by the "good" regime, and which are terrible when done ba the "evil" regime.

"good" and "evil" being different depending to your allegiances, obviously.

	19-02-2005 20:53									#21
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Not a very good troll - nobody took the bait.

	19-02-2005 21:06									#22
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Well done DaShi... truely inspired work. Even with the truth revealed, I'm sure some moron will rise to the bait... Enjoy!

	19-02-2005 21:17									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I'm sure some moron will rise to the bait... Enjoy!

I'm disappointed in UR for not doing so.

	19-02-2005 21:17									#24
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There are two kinds of Taiwanese- those who want unification and those who don't.

Those who moved to Shanghai are often of the first type, thus as business ties grow stronger, political polarization also increases.

While there are ethnic ties, in the last ten years, the government has been actively promoting a seperate Taiwanese ethnicity including the introduction of the Taiwanese language to the school curriculum and state-run television.

	19-02-2005 21:20									#25
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quote: It's part of China.

I'm curious. How can something be said to be apart of a country when said country hasn't had sovereignty over the "rebel province" for decades?

	19-02-2005 21:23									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley While there are ethnic ties, in the last ten years, the government has been actively promoting a seperate Taiwanese ethnicity including the introduction of the Taiwanese language to the school curriculum and state-run television.

Yeah, I just saw something about a "Blue-Green" rift in Taiwan.

One question - is the government clamping down on criticism? I heard a couple of TV stations just got very short term licenses even when they have been in business for decades?

	19-02-2005 21:29									#27
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There are differences.

The chinese communist party AFAIK has a strong "One Family one Child" - Policy and therefore encourages birth control.
The republicans only encourage birth control, if it is done by sexual abstinence

And china sells the organs of people which were executed. The republicans aren´t known to do such thing.

	19-02-2005 22:18									#28
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Stalinism

I've been calling Bush a Stalinist for a while.

quote: Originally posted by Agathon In any case, Taiwan is part of China. The Chinese are correct to note that it is a rebel province. How would the Americans feel if Hawaii declared independence and the Chinese started meddling in its affairs.

It doesn't matter what the mainlanders would feel. Hawaiians has a right to self-determination. If a majority or super-majority supports independence, Hawaii should become an independent nation.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Yeah, I just saw something about a "Blue-Green" rift in Taiwan. One question - is the government clamping down on criticism? I heard a couple of TV stations just got very short term licenses even when they have been in business for decades?

The days of clamping down ended with democratization in the 80s, now it's about making criticism a pain by putting up bureaucratic hurdles.

	20-02-2005 01:48									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Because the Chinese Communist Party can lead us to socialism, whereas the Republican Party cannot. Right now the CCP is simply returning power to the workers which is a process that must be contrlled[sic] very carefully. If they must silence capitalists in the process, then so be it.

Dude...

The Chinese Communist Party isn't silencing capitalists. It's silencing the workers and busting the unions. The working conditions in Chinese factories are awful and human life is cheap.