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An outline of the O'Dubhda Family History

The Uí Faichrach -- early origins

There are many people of Irish descent who can justly claim an ancestry as ancient and royal as that of any of the famous European dynasties. Among them are the O'Dubhda family (pronounced "O'Dooda"), including the O'Dowda, O'Dowd and other variant spellings, who are descended (with many other families) from a people in the West of Ireland once known as the Uí Faichrach ("Ee Fee-a-crock"). This name derived from a 5th century pagan king of Connacht called Fiachra ("Fee-a-cra"). His grandson Daithi ("Daw-hee") also became king and was killed by lightning about 445 A.D. His grandson Aillil ("Al-ill") succeeded as King of Connacht and later King of Tara until 482.

The O'Dubhda surname
The Uí Faichrach provided successive kings of Connacht for a long period, but their sphere of influence became confined to North Connacht. In the late 10th century, their king was named Aedh Ua Dubhda i.e. Hugh, the grandson of Dubhda ("Dooda"). He was king of an area roughly corresponding to the two counties of Mayo and Sligo. He is recorded as having 'died an untroubled death' in the year 982, making this surname one of the oldest in Europe. As the use of surnames became more widespread, descendants continued to use the name O'Dubhda to distinguish their own royal family. This is pronounced "O'Dooda", but there are as many as forty different variations on the surname.

The O'Dubhda Taoiseach
The O'Dubhda remained kings of North Connacht until the 13th century. However, great changes took place in Irish society and they lost control over much of their former lands before being confined to the barony of Tireragh ("Tea-rare-ra") meaning 'the country of Fiachra' in Co. Sligo. As a result, they gradually dropped the use of the title king. This was replaced in time by the title Taoiseach ("Tea-shock"), i.e. chieftain or leader. This term is now used as the title of the Irish Prime Minister. The man who became Taoiseach was generally referred to by his surname only, e.g. O'Dubhda. In this way he came to be referred to as chief of his name. He was elected according to the old Irish laws and sometimes there was dispute over the leadership. One means of avoiding conflict was by the selection of a Taoiseach-elect, called a Tanaiste ("Thaw-nishta"). This term is now used for the Irish Deputy Prime Minister. The election and inauguration was presided over by the ollamh ("Ulav") or professor of the Mac Firbis family of scholars.

The O'Dubhda is unique in having a detailed account of the inauguration ceremony of their Taoiseach preserved in an ancient manuscript of the Mac Firbis scholars. This manuscript, known as the Great Book of Lecan, was written near Enniscrone in Tireragh between 1397 and 1418 and is now carefully preserved as one of our Irisn national treasures in Dublin. One of the most generous sponsors of the Mac Firbis scholars was Tadhg Riabhach O'Dunhda ('Dark Teige'), who became Taoiseach of Tireragh in 1417. He is particularly remembered in this manuscript where his death is recorded at Enniscrone Castle. This unique treasure preserves much of our ancient Irish heritage. It contains information relating to the history of hundreds of different Irish families. Both the Mac Firbis bardic scholars, who wrote it, and the O'Dubhda rulers who supported them, deserve our rememberance.

O'Dowda and O'Dowd, Dowd and Doody, etc.
The ancient laws of Ireland, known as the Brehon Laws, continued in use until the early 1600s. The last Taoiseach to be elected under these was Tadhg Buí O'Dubhda ('Blonde Teige'). He was inaugurated in 1595, and led his army south to the battle of Kinsale in 1601. He never came back. Tradition states that he survived the battle and settled in Co. Kerry, where his family later became known as Doody. During the 17th century, the rest of the O'Dubhda ruling family was displaced from their homeland, where they had owned 24 castles and 52 towns, including Enniscrone. They split into two main branches, and these settled in Co. Mayo. In dealings with government officials using the English language several different spellings of the surname were introduced, one branch using the spelling of O'Dowda, while the other branch became known as O'Dowd. Two centuries earlier a third branch had left and settled near Dublin, where they became known as Dowd. Although there are more than 40 other variations, Dowd and O'Dowd are now the most common versions of the surname. There are many descendants now loving who can trace their ancestry directly back to the original O'Dubhda kings.
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I'd be impressed by my royal lineage if I didn't suspect kings were more like clan chiefs back then. O'Dubhda comes from the attribution "the dark one" ("Dubh") but it isn't known if this refers to his hair, dark complexion (I may have Portugeuse blood), or something else. But he lived in the 10th century and was a king of Connacht.

So, have you traced your name back in time? What did you find?

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you're welcome to this guillotine.

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actually on my paternal grandmother's side there are some French de Rohan lines... that means I'm one of them Rohirrim from LotR

what it does mean is I have Huguenots or something blood in me if thata makes sense.

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lol doody

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My name is O'Connor we were the last High Kings of Ireland (true), a few hundred years ago Berzerker would have been my b!tch.

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Mine comes straight from all brave knights, and kings of Europe, the good ones. Your blood can't match it. Mine is the best. You'll see.

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It is impossible to correlate the spelling of Irish Gaelic and how it is pronounced. Look at Dun Laoghaire and how that is pronounced

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Mine comes straight from all brave knights, and kings of Europe, the good ones. Your blood can't match it. Mine is the best. You'll see.


Read my post ice-boy, we ruled a whole country!

Type 'O'Connor High King' into Google and then tell me who's the Daddy!

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Hey I don't care who ruled who, the fact is my ancient fathers were the baddest beasts on the planet, no matter if they lived in huts in unknown areas. They were the baddest beasts. Maybe they fought only few retards, but they were still the baddest beasts in this planet. It's not their fault your ***** king never meat them to battle it out. Maybe they were too afraid of them. So instead the put on more make up and danced around in their pantyhoses, because that is what they wore. Unlike my ancestors. They always wore battle outfit, always, except when they were making love. This is a fact, and I am here today a living proof of it! BADDEST! NGAAAAAAH!

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They always wore battle outfit, always, except when they were making love. This is a fact, and I am here today a living proof of it! BADDEST! NGAAAAAAH!


Women 'make love', real men 'f@ck'!

Bow down and kiss the ring.

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So, have you traced your name back in time? What did you find?


I am a distant descendent of the American Revolutionary hero Ethan Allen . Some of Ethan's accomplishments were spectacular (such as capturing Fort Ticonderoga without having to fire a shot), while others were "less spectacular"....


D

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oh you talk straight up gansta? I think your KINGS were the pasty bastards, and the weather today is what? Sweating RAIN from the excuses.... LIke I said, my ancestors were not kissing the ring and I'm not either.. in fact you can kiss my ring! It's the brown thing between me bollies..

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Women 'make love', real men 'f@ck'!

Bow down and kiss the ring.


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my family members tend to say our family name comes from some north German abbreviation of the common first name Frederick, I say it's more connected to Viking origins

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AND: our family name is shared by one of your football players, or baseball or something.

if you're very good in combinating and "thinking around the corner" you can find it out...

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what it does mean is I have Huguenots or something blood in me if thata makes sense.


Weren't the Huguenots a segment of the French who refused to turn in Jews during WWII and hid them when the Nazis were gathering them up for extermination?

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Gee, last time I can remember people making fun of last names was grade school, nice to see you are staying young, But O'Dowd seems to be the more common denominator since it appears to be a mix between O'Dubhda with a short "u" and the long "u" in O'Doody. Our name uses the short "u" as in "Dubhda". We have a "Brazil" line in our family which may be of Portugeuse influence but I can't be sure on that.

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My name is O'Connor we were the last High Kings of Ireland (true), a few hundred years ago Berzerker would have been my b!tch.


Ah, so you guys were the British hand puppets who lost control of Ireland while my ancestors were autonomous. to Pagan Ireland when a king was a king and not Limey a$$-kissers.

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no, they were religious refugees from France in early modern times.

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Berz, one or two of my dynasty may have done what was nessacery to get by, but the fact remains your ancestors were my ancestors b!tches!!

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I always used to think that American football player Vick might be a distant family member.... I have just found out that that wouldbe very, very, very distant

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235253

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My aunt did a geneological search and found at least 1 ancestor who fought under William the Conqueror.

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Not true. Some were, I bet lkie 90% of polytubbies, but my ancestors were hardcore. All the way up to Adam and Eve, they were the badasses. Real hardcore seed. You can't do nothing about it and it pisses you off that the pasty big bellied pantyhose wearing wannabe kings never had the balls to enter my ancestors lands. This is true.

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Weren't the Huguenots a segment of the French who refused to turn in Jews during WWII and hid them when the Nazis were gathering them up for extermination?


They were the French Protestants.

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Berz, one or two of my dynasty may have done what was nessacery to get by, but the fact remains your ancestors were my ancestors b!tches!!


My ancestors were kings ~1,000 years before y'all showed up and became British hand puppets.

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My aunt did a geneological search and found at least 1 ancestor who fought under William the Conqueror.


Have you got any good (free) sites? My family is from Liverpool and then Ireland where should I go?

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Our family can claim relationship to two American presidents. IMHO that trumps any Euro royal skeletons you can dredge up from your family closet.

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which presidents?

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Euro Kings > US presidents.

By far.

Of course it doesn't mean it's nothing to be in relations with the presidents. It's of course great. But it's nothing huge. Kings are huge. And badasses.

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Our family can claim relationship to two American presidents. IMHO that trumps any Euro royal skeletons you can dredge up from your family closet.



We were Kings, to claim a 'relationship' with a President probably means your Great Great Great Aunty was a prostitute who went two's up on Jefferson and Washington.

I win

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No... Strangelove < reds4ever < SUPERCITIZEN

This is the truth.

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No... Strangelove < reds4ever < SUPERCITIZEN

This is the truth.


Close but not quite....

These Yanks *THINK* they've got a heritage

 
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