25-02-2005 15:16									#31
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Looks like we're the last faction having EnvEcon. All the other teams cannot be offered.

O, new page.

Resume from my former post:

Yang refuses to talk.
Don't forget to found the new base.

	25-02-2005 15:21									#32
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Or Gaians are following a completely different research path, or they're really backward... 4 techs we can offer? (+ Lal's commfreq)

	25-02-2005 15:24									#33
	Remove this text

We can offer EnvEco to Gaians. And I think this may be smth they research
Should I ask, if they want it this turn?

	25-02-2005 15:28									#34
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

No deal, we cannot offer EnvEcon to them in the diplo screen (now)... unless we can only offer this tech from next year on due to the game mechanics of course.

Something else: Lal does not have IntelInteg. We could outsmart the Spartans by this (Lal and Spartans are pacted as well).

	25-02-2005 15:30									#35
	Full PM-box? Change here!

you mean, trade Int Int to Lal before Spartans can do it?

Also the new base is going to be harbour - we need to enter that tile between two bonus tiles.

	25-02-2005 15:30									#36
	Support Apolyton

I thought we still had to give them 2 techs? Or am I wrong? What's the balance between us and the Gaians and Spartans regarding giving techs back for what we received?

Atm we can offer AdapEcon, OptComp, ProgPsych and of course HEC to them.

	25-02-2005 15:31									#37
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

The Cyberethics deal failed. Gaians and Spartans had communication problems effectively blowing the deal off

We have to give Gaians one tech only

	25-02-2005 15:32									#38
	Remove this text

If the new base has to be a harbour, why not founding it on the nut tile? It will grow much faster then and has a min tile nearby for quick production.

And how many techs to the Spartans? IntelInteg only?

	25-02-2005 15:36									#39
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Good idea, about that nut under the base. We should propose that for the next turn to Hercules.

Yes - we have to transfer IntInt to Spartans only. As far as I remember.

	25-02-2005 15:38									#40
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

We could do it the other way around as well of course. But I don't know if we'll lose a min if we found a base on the min tile (but that could be done right this turn, the cp has still 2/3 mp left).

	25-02-2005 15:45									#41
	Remove this text

I do not think we will loose the mineral - since it is on the flat terrain and moist. Just straight 2 more minerals there. The problem is this base will be for 2 turns exposed to probing...

COP from SH is on its way, but will arrive in 2163

	25-02-2005 16:13									#42
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

So the plan is to wait founding it 'till the probe is there?

In that case, definitely found the base on the nut tile. We could already place the scout and the cp on it.

	25-02-2005 16:27									#43
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

there is no hurry, since in
2162 - they enter
2163 - establish base and COP arrives

Now one of the units or even both might not enter

	25-02-2005 17:25									#44
	Increase the size of your Attachments

If the first one can enter, the second is bound to do so as well.

But you're right, there's no rush.

How's the rest of the turn going?

	25-02-2005 17:55									#45
	Suffering from ads?

Excellent - we got 147 EC more. We got Env Eco. I hurried additionally network node in Gplex and Recycling tanks in HG.

Our research is now "smoking" 82 labs/turn.
We get like 31 EC from commerce. total is +27 EC/turn, as for the energy

Overall the turn is now ready, I think. I will check it once more.

	25-02-2005 18:11									#46
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Do you think IntInt will be finished sooner with the new node and the extra energy?

	25-02-2005 19:54									#47
	Remove this text

Yes on loan

Get the Recycle Tanks for starters

P Defence; that can be depated but the idea of getting our defences up is a good one.

	25-02-2005 21:03									#48
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

We now need 177 lab points more. If we get 82 this turn, we need 95 next turn. Not quite likely to happen. I will see though, what is possible.

	25-02-2005 22:20									#49
	Put an end to popups!

Presend. I think it may go like this. I tried to see what about this tech. We might do 60% labs and 30% economy, though we get some penalties then. Is it worth? I do not know. I do not like penalties. We will get police force one turn earlier. But I am not sure, if really need it. Any other reason, we should do it?

Attachment: acdg3-angels-2161-end.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	25-02-2005 23:06									#50
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Not really necessary. Not if we have to cramp things up for it, it's not worth it IMO.

	25-02-2005 23:43									#51
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

So, any votes for changing anything in the presend save?

I will write also a short note of explanation to Morganities and we can forward the turn...

	26-02-2005 03:55									#52
	Support Apolyton

No more votes then... Also no comments on sending HEC to Gaians, so I do it, and we will have Ecological Engineering done by this.

	26-02-2005 05:13									#53
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Also, some long term plan here: Possible switch to free market.

When we are done with pop boom, we might go to FM. For better energy rate. We could also go to FM soon in order to have EC for hurrying all those facilities, and then switch back to Planned to complete pop boom.

	26-02-2005 19:25									#54
	Got spare money?

Continue to popboom gives us more income as well as long as there are enough terraformed tiles available.

	26-02-2005 20:26									#55
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

the 2162 will have no pop boom. The next may - but we will have to correct psych in order to avoid drones in KP and KC. Only EM will have Recreation commons. Thus we need to get them as well in those bases. But COPs first. Morganitiea are probably already sailing around to probe KC...

	26-02-2005 21:37									#56
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Just for correct understanding:

When you say popboom, do you simply mean that a particular base will grow next turn for their nutrient box is full, or that our faction in general experiences a population boom due to sufficient talents/nutrient output/+6 growth?

	26-02-2005 21:45									#57
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

a population boom due to sufficient talents/nutrient output/+6 growth?

this one.

	04-03-2005 12:49									#58
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I'm liking it... also glad that the big project is finished for now at school...

	04-03-2005 19:22									#59
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Jay, FlameFlash for Sinder!!!!

	04-03-2005 19:44									#60
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I was thinking: Is it time we introduced something like the advanced orders thread for the approaching turn. It would be edited to keep it up to date with our various thoughts. Then when the turn arrived it would be the reference point.