25-02-2005 08:01									#61
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SUVs

Fashionably they are so year 2000

Enviornmentally they are spewing out too much pollution

Practically they aren't any safer, as they have a nice tendency to roll over.


Plus they are ANNOYING as hell.

	25-02-2005 08:18									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And your point? So do I... 20-30mpg is just not an impressive fuel economy...either you aren't very efficient in your style of driving (too heavy on the gas, automatic) or your car is a fuelguzzler...mine does about 40mpg...

Do you not comprehend what it means to be an aggressive driver?

Of course I'm not very efficient in my driving style.

Good job on you contradicting yourself.

I wasn't bragging about the fuel economy, nor was I trying to be impressive. I was pointing out that the fuel economy of the hybrid vehicles he mentioned weren't impressive.

You suck because you miss an obvious point, and Imran sucks for licking your ass and trying to take a swipe at me.

	25-02-2005 08:22									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison The brakes charge the battery? Excuse me, but I think you're speaking out of your arse here!

The energy created by the brakes being applied is used to recharge the battery.

	25-02-2005 08:24									#64
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I'm curious: Who here besides myself actually needs to drive an SUV due to work requirements, distance-of-home from paved roads, or weather conditions?

	25-02-2005 08:28									#65
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs I'm curious: Who here besides myself actually needs to drive an SUV due to work requirements, distance-of-home from paved roads, or weather conditions?

Well DanS obviously, after all he wouldn't be so dumb as to pay a fortune for a car that has capabilities he'll never use.

Would he?

	25-02-2005 08:29									#66
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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs I'm curious: Who here besides myself actually needs to drive an SUV due to work requirements, distance-of-home from paved roads, or weather conditions?

My parents own an Expedition, and I own an Escape.

Neither of us needs one. My parent's reasoning for mostly because they needed the seating capabilities and cargo space offered, although they would have been better suited getting a passenger van (which they had previously).

I really should have something smaller and more efficient, but the SUV in my Escape does come in handy every once in a while.

	25-02-2005 08:35									#67
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I drove a hybrid Prius. Loved it. Even at the highest speeds (70+), it still got more than 40mpg. At 55mph, I was getting between 60 and 70 mpg.

	25-02-2005 08:37									#68
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Why are you yanks obsessed with MPG? You virtually get the stuff for free anyway!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I drove a hybrid Prius. Loved it. Even at the highest speeds (70+), it still got more than 40mpg. At 55mph, I was getting between 60 and 70 mpg.

Too bad it's ugly as sin.

	25-02-2005 08:38									#70
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No uglier than an Escape...

	25-02-2005 08:43									#71
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quote: Why are you yanks obsessed with MPG? You virtually get the stuff for free anyway!

We aren't obsessed with it. Therefore the SUVs, etc. However, if new technology will pay for itself without degrading performance, then we'll always try it. Even better if there are other benefits.

	25-02-2005 08:52									#72
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You know what degrades performance?


All that needless mass on SUVs.

	25-02-2005 08:53									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher You know what degrades performance? All that needless mass on SUVs.

What, the owners?

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quote: Originally posted by Verto Too bad it's ugly as sin.

True, but I love the dash and panel instruments. Inside it's quite wonderful.

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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Why are you yanks obsessed with MPG? You virtually get the stuff for free anyway!

Why pay more?

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We are indicator obsessed

Ted Striker = 12 inches, etc

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quote: Do you not comprehend what it means to be an aggressive driver? Of course I'm not very efficient in my driving style.

nah, thats a common misconception. you can drive fast/aggressive and have a better mpg than someone who drives slower; i know, i got 2 mpg better than anyone else when we drove down in someones g36, while my average speed was 8 miles an hour more. (85pmh to 77)

	25-02-2005 09:24									#78
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I've worked it out with my car, the best mpg is about 90-100km/h, it degrades from that point out.

Also, I always outaccelerate everyone (no I don't stunt), which doesn't help.

	25-02-2005 09:30									#79
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quote: Also, I always outaccelerate everyone (no I don't stunt), which doesn't help.

yeah, but once youre on the highway, accelerating is a moot point.

and you can try it all you want, if your foot isnt steady, the same margin of error will be in there every time you test it. people with steadier feet can get the same or better mpg than someone with unsteady feet at equal or greater speeds.

	25-02-2005 09:31									#80
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I'm all about the cruise control.

	25-02-2005 09:38									#81
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yeah, try one day not to use it, you will see that you will get MUCH better mpg (kpg) than with it on.

	25-02-2005 09:42									#82
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quote: trying to take a swipe at me.

Not try, hit. Saying someone is a bad driver because they were involved in one accident where they were judged to be at fault and in the same thread admit you are an 'aggressive driver' shows your utter undeserved arrogance. Drivers who are aggressive are worse drivers than those who have only been in one accident.

Aggressive drivers suck ass

	25-02-2005 09:45									#83
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well, im supposed to be an aggressive/fast driver. not only is that the only way to get anywhere in socal, i also fit the profile of fast drivers:

young, male, highly stressed, and oversexed

	25-02-2005 09:46									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Not try, hit. Saying someone is a bad driver because they were involved in one accident where they were judged to be at fault and in the same thread admit you are an 'aggressive driver' shows your utter undeserved arrogance. Drivers who are aggressive are worse drivers than those who have only been in one accident. Aggressive drivers suck ass

Evidently not.

Crappy drivers suck ass.

Drivers who prefer to go from 0-60 in under 15 seconds do not inherently suck, they just have less patience.

I'm an excellent driver, and I drive a lot, in a lot of dangerous conditions, and I've never been in an accident.

Hell, Sunday I drove all the way from Waterloo to Toronto during a heavy snowstorm. It took me 3 hours, but I did it.

It's all about knowing how to drive. I'm not the idiots who will weave through traffic, I'll pick the far left lane on the 401/407 and just pass most people.

That doesn't cause more accidents, unless you're not paying attention or generally a bad driver (see: rearending a porsche).

There's just no real excuse for it. Hell, you can't even really blame it on the weather in the UK.

When the roads are literally sheets of black ice, you may still have a case...but even then, you ought to know better and compensate.

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but i dont hate passive drivers the way asher does. passive drivers you know what they are going to do (namely, stay in their lanes.) other aggresive drivers, you never know what they are going to do.

but i always drive safe.

	25-02-2005 09:49									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia but i dont hate passive drivers the way asher does. passive drivers you know what they are going to do (namely, stay in their lanes.) other aggresive drivers, you never know what they are going to do. but i always drive safe.

Are you kidding? Passive drivers around here are the worst.

Honestly, every time I see a slow moving civic I avoid it like the plague. They're the ones who get into most accidents.

They cut people off without signalling, they slow the hell down and stop when they're to merge, and they obstruct the flow of traffic.

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quote: [SIZE=1] Originally posted by Lawrence of young, male, highly stressed, and oversexed

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	25-02-2005 09:56									#88
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Yeah... less patience while driving is ok . So you have less patience at a stoplight, but you get super patient on the road? I doubt it? If a car ahead of you is driving slowly, do you tailgate? I bet you do (hell if you can make assumptions without knowing the full story for PH, I can do the same for you - after all you said you drive 'aggressively' - that ain't just accelerating real fast). You, who has less patience, waits until you are fully clear of a car in another lane before switching when the guy in front of you is going slow?

I doubt it.

A good driver realizes that driving aggressively can cause accidents, maybe not involving the driver, but with others. A good driver is patient and can drive fast as well. One need not be an aggressive driver to drive fast.


btw, in rearending cases, even if the car in front stops short, or rolls down a hill backwards, the driver who hits the back of the car is usually ruled at fault unless they contest it in court.

	25-02-2005 09:59									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah... less patience while driving is ok . So you have less patience at a stoplight, but you get super patient on the road? I doubt it? If a car ahead of you is driving slowly, do you tailgate? I bet you do (hell if you can make assumptions without knowing the full story for PH, I can do the same for you - after all you said you drive 'aggressively' - that ain't just accelerating real fast).

Absolutely not -- drivers are all unpredictable, tailgating is one of the most stupid things you can do. I've no idea why you'd assume that.

quote: You, who has less patience, waits until you are fully clear of a car in another lane before switching when the guy in front of you is going slow? I doubt it. A good driver realizes that driving aggressively can cause accidents, maybe not involving the driver, but with others. A good driver is patient and can drive fast as well. One need not be an aggressive driver to drive fast.

The problem here is you're replacing "aggressive" with "stupid" and making an argument out of it.

Aggressive means I when the light turns green at the stop light, I don't pick my nose, take the car out of park, and slowly accelerate from 0-60 over 45 seconds.

It means I usually drive above the speed limit.

It means I will pass someone who is going slower than me.

It doesn't mean I cut people off, tailgate, and honk my horn at everyone.

I give my engine a workout, but I don't do it stupidly.

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quote: btw, in rearending cases, even if the car in front stops short, or rolls down a hill backwards, the driver who hits the back of the car is usually ruled at fault unless they contest it in court.

And why the **** would you not contest it in court if the dude ROLLED into you?