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snoopy369
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Of the Peanuts Gallery
Apr 2004
time: 23:22
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Hmm. I would consider any deal we make breakable at any point with notice etc.
But beside the point ... here is roughly the draft of the proposal that has been hashed out ...
BOH-Euphorica Pact of Technical Cooperation and Mutual Aid
1. Blood Oath Horde ("BOH") and Euphorica shall engage in a Cooperative Venture to mutually advance in technical prowess in a manner that aids both sides, in choosing technical ventures and in the trading of such concepts.
2. To aid in this venture, BOH and Euphorica shall, each time a technical research is completed, inform each other of the completion of said technical research.
3. Furthermore, BOH and Euphorical shall, each time a new technical research is commenced, inform the other of the new technical research.
4. BOH and Euphorica shall, upon completion of a technical research, first offer such research to eath other prior to offering that research to any other team. A reasonable trade must be offered in good faith, if such a trade is possible.
4a. If such a trade is not possible with extant techs, the researching nation should consider the possibility of trading for a future tech credit, particularly a tech within five turns of completion.
5. Any tech accepted in a trade under this deal from the other team shall not be offered in trade to a third party, without sharing 50% of the benefits of such trade with the other team, unless approved beforehand. 50% is defined as 50% of the point value (c3c editor base value) of such tech in present or future techs, or a gold or luxury equivalent agreed to by both teams. This may be taken as partial credit for an otherwise unfair trade (for example, trading bronze working away to another team once traded for under this agreement, a 4 point tech, means that if later a trade of, say, Construction for CoL is offered - the team with the 2 point 'credit' offering CoL - it should be considered fair, rather than unfair, given this additional credit (which is then cancelled).
5a. Any tech self-researched may be traded with others with no penalty, providing (2) and (4) have been fulfilled.
6. If one party is asked by the other to engage on a less 'credit worthy' line of research - such as researching polytheism and HBR instead of Currency and Construction - that fact should be taken into account in trades, or the other party should be given the option of researching half of the 'harder' techs. If it is ultimately less useful for both parties to switch off in this way (for example if research times don't convieniently line up) then 'straight up' trades should be considered, or a fair GPT deal for the duration of the 'harder' vs. 'easier' techs situation should be arranged. In no case shall this deal be used to force one team into researching less valuable techs and ultimately be unable to keep up with the other team because of this.
6a. If such a situation occurs as in (6), both parties should be restricted from trading the techs they research, unless they share 100% of the benefits of those trades with each other, assuming a fair deal has been made to evenly divide research costs; a fair deal being described either as one determined fair by both sides, or at minimum a deal that involves a transfer of gold equivalent to the beaker difference in research, in a 1 for 1 exchange ratio (ie 1gp = 1 beaker). If no deal has been made of that nature, but techs gained in this way are traded 1 for 1 (ie a harder tech traded straight up for an easier tech) between BOH and Euphorica, then both teams should share 50% of the benefits of their trades of their respective harder and easire techs.
6b. BOH and Euphorica are in no way forbidden from researching the same techs by this agreement, and if one team feels the other is unfairly profiting from researching a specific tech first, the other may freely research said tech as well. However, this is a poor situation for both sides, and should be avoided at any reasonable cost.
6c. If Philosophy is researched first by either team, then the resulting free tech should be given to the other team for free, assuming they have made a reasonable trade for philosophy, and have been otherwise making reasonable trades throughout the course of this deal. If a reasonable deal for philosophy is not possible at that time, nor in a reasonable amount of time thereafter, the team researching philosophy is free to keep the bonus tech with no penalty.
6d. Scientific Method.
6d(i). If one team researches Scientific Method, and on the same turn uses a prebuild to (on the next turn) build Darwin's Voyage, or any turn prior to the first turn that the other team might concievably have build Darwin, then the other team should be given one of these technologies for free, and the other one for a cost not to exceed the cost that Scientific Method was traded for (or will be traded for) (and this must be a reasonable cost for Sci. Method.)
6d(ii). If on the other hand, Scientific Method is built later than described in 6d(i), then both technologies should be traded at a reduced cost, but not for free; the builder may set the cost for both technologies, at a reasonable level.
6d (iii). Both parties should discuss the building of Sci. Method ahead of time, so that one party does not waste shields on it, and consider making both techs traded for a reasonable cost (to offset the cost of building the wonder).
7. Expiration. This deal expires upon one of the following conditions.
7a. If three consecutive techs are researched by one team and not traded for within ten techs of researching the third tech, by the other team.
7b. Upon 1 tech notice by one team; the next tech researched by each side should be traded under this agreement, but any following techs do not fall under this agreement.
7c. Upon the declaration of war by one party on the other party. Such should be considered a breach of this agreement, and not a simple expiration.
7d. Upon the completion of each era, this document should be reviewed and re-certified by both sides, to indicate that both sides believe they benefit by this arrangement. One side refusing to recertify it at the beginning of a new era indicates the expiration of this agreement.
7e. If one side determines that the other side has not fairly dealt with them, by showing proof to a neutral third party (such as a moderator or non-player in this game) that the other side is in substantial breach of one of the major clauses in this contract - (4) through (6).
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Amendment 1: proposed by BOH
Article 5a. Any tech self-researched may be traded with others with no
penalty, providing (2) and (4) have been fulfilled and the tech is not
resource revealing or one of military tradition, nationalism and synthetic
fibers. Any resource revealing tech and also military tradition, nationalism
and synthetic fibers which may be self-researched or obtained otherwise will
not be traded with other civs without the acceptance of the other party.
Acceptance is automatic if the other party is not at war and tech is not
iron working, wheel or military tradition.
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I have replied to this suggesting that IW/wheel should not be included, as they're way too early to be of equivalent value to mil trad. and etc.
Thoughts?
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25-02-2005 06:49
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