07-06-2005 18:35									#61
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Case Sidon:


There are 2 DR Immortals (Hercules and Samson, both 4/4), one DR spear (Foxtrot 4/4) and one DR worker on position 7 from Sidon. I guess this strong detachment is there to protect the warrior who is building road toward the bard city of U2, at the moment also empty.

I believe and Paddy agrees that the city of Sidon is the DR base of operations for a DR planed all out assault on the Bard main. I believe the city to be full of immortals and the invasion road being built to facilitate their movement. They will probably stay put until the road is completed though.

I estimate the total size of their immortal army in Sidon since they are average to us in strength to something around 7-8 immortals (counting Samson and Hercules). Could be more if they are not all vet immortals, but not more than 9 in total I guess. I'll do the exact calculation soon based on our units and the moment they became average.

	18-06-2005 07:56									#62
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quote: We and our various allies have decided that the deal, as we proposed, is a good one and we would like to do it, if you are still agreeable. Just to make sure we mutually recall it correctly: We give you Constr and Currency, to bring you into the next age (This is what you are lacking for next age, right?). You give us your free tech. If it is Engineering, we will work jointly to achieve in a reasonably short time Feudalism and Monotheism and trade it mutually (as is). Probably you should research Monotheism, as you are slightly faster than we. We will have these techs completed in 3 turns at the latest, according to my understanding from McM etc. At that point we will send the two techs - accepted to you. You will then immediately turn around and send us-accepted your free tech that same turn. Of course, if you do get mono/feudalism, we will still happily work on other trades with you We simply want to make sure we get chivalry reasonably soon, to help us against DR. Thanks, Snoopy369

	18-06-2005 15:14									#63
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This seems reasonable since according to my latest estimate there is simply no way we can capture Antioch without keshiks. DR are simply to tough a nut to crack.

The only risk is that Babs refuse to give us their free tech.

	18-06-2005 17:39									#64
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So please explain, somewhere, your latest estimates.

Re free tech, the goal is they give it to Bards... who give it to us.

	17-07-2005 16:59									#65
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We be at war!!!

	29-07-2005 05:58									#66
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quote: originally posted by McMeadows Mate, you're near to the bottom of people I would like to know any better due to your behavior in this game. I don't want to be called a betrayer either if it's in or out of character. Certainly when it doesn't seem to be all that obvious. And even more so by people I barely know, either in RL or just a game like this. This betrayer has lost quite some enthusiasm and fun in the game just because of those comments and the actual feeling of being misled in trust. Your call for personal attacks to stop is ridiculous by your very own being. And yes I do take this image I obtained from you into other games.

I resign. Good Luck to all of you. This isn't what I came here for. I thought all was in good fun, but apparently others take it to seriously. Just not worth it to me.

	29-07-2005 08:27									#67
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this is a sad day for the Horde

	29-07-2005 11:22									#68
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Don't take it too personally Plato. They are just sore losers.

	29-07-2005 11:26									#69
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yes they sure are

	10-08-2005 11:48									#70
	thought a chat with snoop was needed Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

did not go to chat with any real reason etc, basically extended string and let him have his say.




Paddy says:
hello
Snoopy says:
lo
Paddy says:
can I talk to you about EoD for a moment
Paddy says:
happy if you say no
Paddy says:
happy either way
Snoopy says:
Unless it's to discuss peace i'd rather not.
Snoopy says:
Entreaties for peace i'll gladly hear
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
well I am interested in hearing of peace3
Snoopy says:

Paddy says:
after the Metallica incident we never did have any such discussions
Snoopy says:
I have to say last turn would have been ... better, from our point of view. We'd have been willing to give more...
Paddy says:
yes ok.
I understand your posted reasons for abandoning your towns.
It does sadden me though that you have lost so much
Paddy says:
may I ask what you would be willing to give at this time?
Paddy says:
you know what is against you at this time right?
Paddy says:
you have seen our stacks?
Snoopy says:
I'm not sure I could give you a concrete amount ... we don't really have much to 'give' per se
Snoopy says:
oh yes i'm aware
Snoopy says:
Don't imagine that we have nothing to oppose those stacks with ... you will probably win, but it will not be painless for either of y'all
Paddy says:
I fully understand
Snoopy says:
What would you ask of us, since you're really in the position here to dictate terms
Snoopy says:
A fair peace we'll certainly take
Snoopy says:
an oppressive peace ... probably not, we'd rather have one last stand
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
you have lost a great deal so far
Paddy says:
massive actually
Paddy says:
hmmm
Paddy says:
are you ready to go to war if you had peace with us
Snoopy says:
War against whom?
Snoopy says:
We're not going to betray our allies at this point ... we never were, and never will, betray civs allied with us
Snoopy says:
DR, AM we'd war with ... realistically that's it
Paddy says:
yes I understand - my error in not understanding the pressure Mac was under etc
Paddy says:
what of Lost Boys? are they your allie
Snoopy says:
That's behind us - I'm simply stating we won't war with babylon
Snoopy says:
LB is trickier
Snoopy says:
I won't say we wouldn't consider them, ultimately, but it would not be immediate
Snoopy says:
they are our allies, in some sense
Paddy says:
ahhh hmmmm
Snoopy says:
certainly not without letting them 1889 know of the situation
Snoopy says:
but for us to join you again would require ... some concessions on your side
Paddy says:
they are the only nation we have a beef with, well they have a beef with us actually
Snoopy says:
they=1889 or they=octavian?
Paddy says:
I imagine it certainly would for you to join us
Paddy says:
did you see 1889 has advertised for team members in the pbem admin thread
Paddy says:
and he has allowed a great number of babylonians and Mac into his forum
Snoopy says:
no
Snoopy says:
but that surprises me
Snoopy says:
well, he intended to use it as an alliance thread
Paddy says:
yeah he advertised in last 24 hours
Snoopy says:
tho I am opposed to that
Paddy says:
me too
Paddy says:
not that he invited me
Paddy says:
I would love to get in there though and stir them all up a bit
Paddy says:
oh yeah, you need to know we just took out an archer of yours up north as well
Snoopy says:
oh i know
Paddy says:
the way I see it you have 3 cities left
Rolling Stones
Beach Boys
Abba
Snoopy says:
strategery in action
Paddy says:
ahhh strategy good
Paddy says:
we thought best to take him down, but I had a feeling we are in a trap
Paddy says:
that he was bait
Snoopy says:
<< doesn't know what you're talking about
Paddy says:
hehehe - egggsallant
Paddy says:
if you loose any more cities, do you want to stay in the game?
a harsh question I know, but allows us to know if/what peace etc
Snoopy says:
We shall not retire from the game.
Paddy says:
good
Paddy says:
Thank you
Paddy says:
I have some numbers on your force, 10 swords, 3 cats, 2 horse and 4 - 7 spears
Paddy says:
quite a strong possie
Snoopy says:
good to know ankh-morpork is proving me right
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
actually no not them at all
Paddy says:
these are from Ljube and our auditors
Snoopy says:
Ljube is an idiot.
Paddy says:
just from numbers you had before, your returning stack, and possible growth etc
Snoopy says:
My former statement holds.
Paddy says:
hahaha ok
Paddy says:
well you have a great force their
Paddy says:
and I am not sure just what to do with you
Paddy says:
thus why I here
Snoopy says:

Paddy says:
and what sort of peace we could come to
Snoopy says:
You can make peace with us
Paddy says:
as all this seems to be MY big f-up
Snoopy says:
Perhaps we can go raze Antioch now?
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
perhaps indeed
Paddy says:
DR tells us that Babylon gained peace with them for 75 gold
Paddy says:
amazing I think
Snoopy says:
nice deal
Paddy says:
1 immortal would cost about that
Snoopy says:
yessir
Paddy says:
yes very nice
Snoopy says:
tho DR presumably saw nothing to gain out of babylonian war
Snoopy says:
and now can focus on us ... while babylon can now focus on you
Paddy says:
possibly
Snoopy says:
win-win for them
Snoopy says:
Babylon isn't near enough to DR to have any meaningful strategic reason to war with them
Paddy says:
hahahha yes Babylon can focus on us indeed if they have the courage
Paddy says:
we may have a deal with them - well talk is pending etc at the moment
Paddy says:
seems they have lots of gold to go around
Paddy says:
gold goes along way in our "wild boar" pub
Snoopy says:

Snoopy says:
gold is good
Paddy says:
could you offer some gold ?
Snoopy says:
Perhaps
Paddy says:
nice
Snoopy says:
depends on what it would buy us
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
what would you like ? in a perfect world
Snoopy says:
What would I like?
Snoopy says:
Antioch razed to the ground ... no more DR ... Metallica and U2 and Nirvana back
Snoopy says:
basically 10 turns ago
Snoopy says:
What would I like, now ...
Paddy says:
indeed
Snoopy says:
If we're going to make peace, we need our cities back - the ground they occupied
Snoopy says:
I think i'd have to include metallica ... there's no point to us existing if we can't make any units for the rest of the game (and this game will not go so long as cavalry methinks)
Snoopy says:
Money, present and/or future, plus techs, is not out of the question
Paddy says:
yes
Snoopy says:
I'm not sure how much money we have atm, it's not high on my priority list to pay attention to during turns.
Paddy says:
indeed
Snoopy says:
I'm also not sure what the team would agree to ... I'm talking about myself here.
Snoopy says:
Finally ... we'd have to figure something out re: DR.
Snoopy says:
They can themselves still probably eliminate us, or at least give a good shot at it, and eventually elim us due to the city deaths
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
that is true
Paddy says:
ok, thank you for this
Paddy says:
I will put together a report for the Horde to consider all etc
Snoopy says:
okay
Paddy says:
and we may be able to come back with some of our ideas on these matters
Snoopy says:
let us know ... if we should hold off playing the next turn to discuss, that would be fine, just let me know before i play it
Snoopy says:
We probably have 100gp give or take, maybe more
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
we would have most sorted in coming 24 hours
Snoopy says:
but I forget ... and we may want to have it be a primarily turn-based arrangement, to have an additional ... safeguard ... on your further interest on continuing peace, given the last time around...
Paddy says:
should be well before any further turn as Babylon have the save now
Paddy says:
a turn based agreement could work for us
Snoopy says:
yessir

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	11-08-2005 13:33									#71
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Paddy says:
hello
snoopy369 says:
heya
snoopy369 says:
i'm just about to go to bed - what's up?
Paddy says:
you have grabbed the attention of some of the Horde Generals
Paddy says:
and various commanders
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
thought you should know
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
I have nothing definite to say beyond that
Paddy says:
I acknowledge vaste error.
snoopy369 says:
anything indefinite?
Paddy says:
yes several hours of chat
Paddy says:
6 core players involved
snoopy369 says:
cool
snoopy369 says:
well let me know when you have something definite and/or a proposal and/or a question ... always happy to answer such things
Paddy says:
5 of them Key commanders of the force you are up against, another senior diplomat
Paddy says:
thank you
snoopy369 says:
I appreciate your understanding of the former situation ... I think what has hurt mcm/myself the most is that we consider ourselves the most trustworthy of people, and to have been not trusted hurt us more than the betrayal
Paddy says:
I have many many pages of notes to go other, then gather Horde to chaT
Paddy says:
YES
snoopy369 says:
but we both understand, i think, that things are not always as clear as we would like them to be
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
my error mainly in not appreciatting where Mac was with R/L and tour de france stuff
snoopy369 says:
Tour de Lance. Get it right.
Paddy says:
thus not adding that into all his chat and thus not repliying
snoopy369 says:
understood
Paddy says:
hehehe Lance is a true Hero of Planet Earth
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
We need someone to brag about to the euros every once in a while
Paddy says:
I saw him on Oprah the other week - a truely great guy
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
Mate your nation never has to brag to the euros - ever
snoopy369 says:
hehe
snoopy369 says:
not every euro would agree there sir
Paddy says:
They owe you ALL
snoopy369 says:
short memories and all
Paddy says:
The Great War - WWII - NATO
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
But such is life
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
undoubtedly we owe them in some sense given this land would be pretty much worth $24 of beads without their invasion
snoopy369 says:
but anywho
Paddy says:
Australia remembers
snoopy369 says:
i really should sleep
Paddy says:
be well
Paddy says:
oh
Paddy says:
1 ast thing, as team captain I get sent forth with this one often
snoopy369 says:
i'm not playing the save today
Paddy says:
when did turn play be agreed top being 48 hours?
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:
48 hours?
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
i cannot remember rightly
Paddy says:
OPD writes 48 hours now
snoopy369 says:
i believe it is still 24 officially
snoopy369 says:
though in this war i'd think it can be a bit slower
snoopy369 says:
that was basically included in that discussion way back
Paddy says:
we hae no knowledge of it, and Babylon have again blasted through 24 hours with NO notice
Paddy says:
some notice is what we agreed to though
snoopy369 says:
I know it's going slow ... but their current turn player (singular) is someone who wasn't even on the team not long ago
snoopy369 says:
i agree he should give notice
snoopy369 says:
but i think 48 hours in this case may be appropriate ... and he gave a general warning a while back that it would be slow each time due to the issues
snoopy369 says:
E_T is not a very fast turn player in any game that i've had with him ...
Paddy says:
I have 15 members that time mange etc to get to gether for the save, thus they watch when others get it to have saome idea etc when we would get it, and for diplomacy iissues
snoopy369 says:
Were they to go >48 hours without notice i'd have a problem
Paddy says:
Kloreep and Skro are back
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
ah
Paddy says:
Kloreep has been posting
snoopy369 says:
Anywho i leave the decision as to time limit up to OPD, as he's a neutral eye
Paddy says:
one of my intelll weenies monitors these things
snoopy369 says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
ok mate
Paddy says:
be well
snoopy369 says:
lol my kitten is brilliant
Paddy says:
I will be posting some of the above in a new thread - or should I use the save thread?
snoopy369 says:
he has climbed up a complicated set of dressers and things to get to the catnip on an adjacent table
Paddy says:
hehehehe
Paddy says:
catnip rox
snoopy369 says:
whatever you think is best mate
snoopy369 says:
yes he enjoys it
snoopy369 says:
his mother is addicted i think ... she's lazy except when it's around, then she just eats it and eats it unttil the last drop is gone
snoopy369 says:
anywho i must must leave, work in ... 6 hours
Paddy says:
I not posting to cause **** - but to assist in order that is truth
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
ouch - thank you
Paddy says:
bye

	15-08-2005 23:21									#72
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snoopy369 says:
lo
Paddy says:
hello mate
snoopy369 says:
I haven't chatted once with Plato ...
Paddy says:
how have the chats with Plato been going?
Paddy says:
oh
snoopy369 says:
so i have no idea what you are talking about ...
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
hmmm
Paddy says:
sorry he be the cheif ambassador
snoopy369 says:
yes i know
Paddy says:
ok so where were you and I then
snoopy369 says:
but i've never chatted directly with him, from what i recall
snoopy369 says:
well you told me the three top people in your group were thinking about where we stand?
snoopy369 says:
* Paddy the Scot points to the msn chat log
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Paddy says:
and from that we asked Plato to go track you down - I would have, have been here often enough as you know
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
i've actually probably been hard to find, but he could email
snoopy369 says:
but anywho
Paddy says:
oh hmmm yes he does not like that
Paddy says:
prefers instant chats
Paddy says:
anyway yes
snoopy369 says:
sadly i have a 40 hour job plus 15 commute hours per week
snoopy369 says:
anywho
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
yes indeed - unlike some (looks around loungeroom / office) my commute is all in my head
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
loser
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
hehee
snoopy369 says:
so mr. head-commuter
snoopy369 says:
where be we
Paddy says:
we are not far along then at all
Paddy says:
several questions for you if that is fine?
snoopy369 says:
well how can we correct that
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
go for it
Paddy says:
are you in comms with DR?
Paddy says:
we are.
snoopy369 says:
I don't think so
Paddy says:
are there more than you and Mac involved in your team?
snoopy369 says:
I'm not sure
Paddy says:
hahaha
snoopy369 says:
but i'm not sure it's relevant either ...
Paddy says:
love that certainty
Paddy says:
well relevant to us - but then we are different to you guys
snoopy369 says:
Why?
Paddy says:
just a common question raised here
snoopy369 says:
i'm just saying i'm not sure why it's relevant
Paddy says:
many reasons
Paddy says:
cool
snoopy369 says:
but anywho
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
ok, we both know of approx each others battle groups stats etc
snoopy369 says:
sure
Paddy says:
and that we can hurt each other
snoopy369 says:
yep
Paddy says:
and DR are still there
Paddy says:
now I asked for what you wanted back for peace etc
Paddy says:
and that was a big ask
Paddy says:
but in that we may find common ground
snoopy369 says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
one sec loading the save so i can use it as reference
Paddy says:
and if, IF we are to do something together, then their will be a lot of new ground available down south as well
Paddy says:

snoopy369 says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
of course
snoopy369 says:
and i don't mind certainly granting you most of the western lands, that's the least we could give you, assuming there's some sort of guarantee of nonagression (since you will be so close to our territory)
Paddy says:
I think that soundss feasible
snoopy369 says:
what would you be looking at as a line?
Paddy says:
as to non-agression - I believe that we need to work on our comms
Paddy says:
along a border etc, that is so open at the moment
Paddy says:
I could give you the top 5 ideas that have been presented - but that would be better for Plato and the auditor general department to narrow that down etc, then meet with you and discuss
Paddy says:
as this a new era, the department heads have stepped up a notch in their responsibilities etc
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
allowing me to have a more Macro role
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
cool
snoopy369 says:
my question to you then is this
Paddy says:
ok, and I still have a few
snoopy369 says:
can we agree at this stage to a temporary cease-fire/cease-advancement, assuming my answers to your few questions are agreeable
snoopy369 says:
as i don't mind waiting - as long as it takes - but we only have a few more turns left, and if we're going to team in a way with you, we need to plan for DR's imminent arrival now
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Paddy says:
on cease fire, may I ask a few more questions first
snoopy369 says:
yes sir
snoopy369 says:
as i said assuming my answers are agreeable
snoopy369 says:
go for it
Paddy says:
cool
Paddy says:
do you have only 3 cities?
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
you have to understand, that until we agree to a ceasefire we're still hostile enemies ... i'm not sure i should/can give information like that
snoopy369 says:
if there's a particularly vital reason to give it, i may
Paddy says:
ok, I understand you point indeed.
Paddy says:
not vital, just on the list
snoopy369 says:
understood
snoopy369 says:
I think you're asking us if we have/will establish a city away from our home territory
Paddy says:
many many questions were raised, we culled the list for Plato, I just trying to be polite (as I need to make effort as old despotic dictator)
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
i'm just saying i think that's why you are asking that question
Paddy says:
good point
Paddy says:
there are always rumours of that sort of thing in any game where by another nation helps or a galley escapes etc
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
mainly my point was to do with where you are at the moment, in your natural lands.
snoopy369 says:
Okay.
Paddy says:
not too concerned with elsewhere
snoopy369 says:
In our natural lands, we have what we had before the war.
Paddy says:
thanks
snoopy369 says:
That's not a secret.
Paddy says:
tx
Paddy says:
do you have a harbour in rolling Stones?
snoopy369 says:
?
Paddy says:
have you built a "Harbour" in your sea side town of Rolling Stones?
snoopy369 says:
I don't ... but i'm still confused why you want to know
snoopy369 says:
We* don't
snoopy369 says:
can't you see anyway?
snoopy369 says:
or is that only airports, i forget
Paddy says:
remembering that I am here with the lists of many Horde mewmbers etc. all rasons for questions I do not have here, I need to track that down, can find that, would need 10 - 20 mins to do that though.
snoopy369 says:
yessir it's fine
snoopy369 says:
i answered it
Paddy says:
yes -
Paddy says:
have you built a "Harbour" in your sea side town of Beach Boys?
snoopy369 says:
Yessir
Paddy says:
ok - thanks
Paddy says:
Iron - we have 2 sources
snoopy369 says:
yours and ours?
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Paddy says:
we would want to be your source of iron - not another nation through Harbour.
snoopy369 says:
I told you last time, that we'd pretty much require metallica back ...
snoopy369 says:
we'll give a lot, but we'd pretty much require that
Paddy says:
yes I kno - not at that plave yet onlist
snoopy369 says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
oh, lol
snoopy369 says:
*place
snoopy369 says:
i thought plave was an aussi word for a while
snoopy369 says:
* Paddy the Scot is dumb today
Paddy says:
on Metallica / Fort Napster, if / when a hand over would take place - it would not be straight away
snoopy369 says:
understood
Paddy says:
plave - place
Paddy says:
opps
snoopy369 says:
yes i figured it out eventually
Paddy says:
2.38am typo blonde baldy at work
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
i usually figure those out
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:
3 hours of sleep though
Paddy says:
yes I do get some
snoopy369 says:
Note that i'm not sure we'd require metallica specifically, but more we'd require the iron in our territory
Paddy says:
so in interim, we would want to be your iron provider
snoopy369 says:
hrm okay
Paddy says:
we understand that their are other nations out there
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
ok. - brb phone
snoopy369 says:
k
Paddy says:
back
snoopy369 says:
k
Paddy says:
many questions here, alot are diplomacy stuff etc
snoopy369 says:
continue
Paddy says:
this road here - that resouce etc
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
not all that relevant to this turn in my opinion
Paddy says:
just elevaluating them against wall map
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
ok, up north
Paddy says:
I have a Brigade of Horse outside Rolling Stone
Paddy says:
what to do
Paddy says:
your city be empty
Paddy says:
good too
Paddy says:
we move back this turn so not a threat
Paddy says:
you?
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
um
snoopy369 says:
us what?
snoopy369 says:
we stay there?
Paddy says:
hehehe
Paddy says:
yes but unit movements upo there
Paddy says:
you have units - we know that
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
are you asking me if i'm going to move my stack in part or in whole into rolling stone?
Paddy says:
basically
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
that's another question that is best answered after we have at least an agreement on a temporary ceasefire in principle ...
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
as I check map etc - do you have questions
snoopy369 says:
Our basic questions come in two categories, I think
snoopy369 says:
one - what will we give/get for peace [gold, resources, territory, military commitments]
snoopy369 says:
ultimately
snoopy369 says:
and
snoopy369 says:
two - what will we do this turn/next turn/the turn thereafter [cease fire, retreat troops, in relation to DR, etc.]
Paddy says:
one - part 1. this turn
we would both have to take this as a step of good faith...
ie do the moves we agree on, and accept that
part 2. Plato and you and / or your rep need to knuckle down all details asap...
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
two - DR - hmmmm that is a multi part question indeed
Paddy says:
Aqua is an issue
Paddy says:
1 moment as I get my thoughts clear here on this
snoopy369 says:
At
snoopy369 says:
even
Paddy says:
related questions - do you feel you could stand an assault on your Fortress ABBA by DR?
Paddy says:
related questions 2. - you do wish to survive right?
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
question 1 - we think so, yes
snoopy369 says:
them by themselves, we think we can survive
snoopy369 says:
question 2 - we wish to survive as an ongoing concern - not as a meaningless vassal state
Paddy says:
related question 3. - DR are going to be pissed, so we would need to be highly motivated and organised this time
do you feel we can cordinate this time? (both of our teams failed in this previously)
Paddy says:
q 2. We are not interested in vassal states
snoopy369 says:
hrm
Paddy says:
q 2. We much prefer strong and happy neighbours. and in that, if we do go ahead, we will work very hard to allow you rapid growth
snoopy369 says:
I will certainly do my best
snoopy369 says:
I think the problem before was almost more that there was not a consistent strategy on our side (us and you) ... mcmeadows and I did not entirely agree on military strategy, and certainly elements of your team had the same issue, and then us and you disagreed in parts of military strategy
snoopy369 says:
the thing that needs to happen is a single strategy is decided upon, and then acted in concert by both sides upon
Paddy says:
well said
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
I could spend some significant time, on one particular day to be future-determined, doing so
Paddy says:
cool
Paddy says:
in that I would need Bongo there
snoopy369 says:
i'm not sure I have time all the time to discuss - but if we discuss for hours at once, it is doable, as long as both stick to plan as long as possible
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
He is the General in Theatre
snoopy369 says:
monday is the best day for me - day off, and gf is at work
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
but
snoopy369 says:
sunday is also possible, just not all sundays
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
in the interim, we could get some details possibly sorted via email?
Paddy says:
also who would Plato need to discuss matters with?
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
well, at the moment i'm the best person, if he is ever online same time as me
snoopy369 says:
McM is just back from vacation and has not contributed yet
Paddy says:
He is in Tennessee
snoopy369 says:
oh
snoopy369 says:
well that explains things
snoopy369 says:
Tennessee?
Paddy says:
My apologises for Mac. I accept that as my fault, and am trying to encourage his return
snoopy369 says:
* Paddy the Scot suggests he drive over here
Paddy says:

snoopy369 says:
yessir i understand
snoopy369 says:
why's he in TN, do you know
snoopy369 says:
?
snoopy369 says:
he sent me an IM when i was away yesterday, but was gone when i returned
Paddy says:
Family been there 200 years
Paddy says:
you have his gmail address on the emails I sent today
Paddy says:
and he yours
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
I may also get involved in this instance, so we can get this sorted
snoopy369 says:
My gmail and yahoo are interchangeable, btw, they are both checked by Thunderbird at same time
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:

	15-08-2005 23:22									#73
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snoopy369 says:
We'd also i guess need to decide/know the status of LB and Babylon
Paddy says:
they are an issue indeed
snoopy369 says:
If the Horde is agreeable, I presume we can convince (not too difficultly) Babylon to peace with you, given the A-M problem
snoopy369 says:
We would like to at least give them that option
Paddy says:
babylon are a major issue
snoopy369 says:
I'm not sure either of you would want to ally with each other again
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
they have gone to great lengths to cause problems with us, also on the public threads - flame wars etc
Paddy says:
we have a Horde ready to crush them at this time
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
I think realistically most of that goes back to one of their members ...
snoopy369 says:
E_T has nothing against you, he simply doesn't want to be rushed to play the save
Paddy says:
Horde General Ruby Chaser and his team, along with RGO, have them out of the game in 4 - 6 turns.
Paddy says:
E_T should accept the teams agreement to play the save or post a reason etc
Paddy says:
He would not join when we started, claimed all reasons, now he dictates game turn play
Paddy says:
we findf that a bit rich
snoopy369 says:
i know, i'm not going to debate that
Paddy says:
thank you
snoopy369 says:
i think he feels stuck but anyway
snoopy369 says:
my point is, i think skro is the only person who really flamed you
Paddy says:
I think some of the players here forget that I approached over 100 Poly members to come play here
Paddy says:
Skro - oh he is funny
snoopy369 says:
he's young, or he acts it
Paddy says:
but yes there are some issues with Babylon
Paddy says:
we all like Skro
snoopy369 says:
but Beta and Klo are fairly rational types
Paddy says:
really - hahaha
snoopy369 says:
At least from my interactions.
Paddy says:
that be for another time I think
snoopy369 says:
I don't recall either of them flaming but who knows
Paddy says:
anyway Ruby and his Horde are ready to crush babylon - then they cme to us these past days asking us to pay them for some dodgey story of a great force about to attack us - all very strange
and the intal they offered was for something way off - and no real point that it to us etc
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
E_T?
snoopy369 says:
or do they have another player now
Paddy says:
when explained troops poised, he kept going on that we thratening him - well yes... of xourse - that is war
Paddy says:
Skro is the rep
snoopy369 says:
ah yessir
Paddy says:
they have many players
snoopy369 says:
right he speaks but doesn't play
Paddy says:
he posted in public threads to et and klo that he is still available to play
snoopy369 says:
anyway, you might as well pay them if you're going to destroy them
Paddy says:
no thanks
snoopy369 says:
get the money back in 4 turns?
Paddy says:
I not pay them to have them squader it
snoopy369 says:
i'm just kidding
Paddy says:

snoopy369 says:
You ever heard of Markov Chain Matrices, btw?
Paddy says:
no
snoopy369 says:
ok
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
something i'm doing for another game, seeing if anyone i know knows them
Paddy says:
ahhh
snoopy369 says:
writing a low-level TBS game
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
they are used to generate maps, apparently
snoopy369 says:
but anywho
snoopy369 says:
continuing
Paddy says:
LB are DR's mate.
snoopy369 says:
Really?
snoopy369 says:
now i'm confused
Paddy says:
they have been tech partners from day 1
snoopy369 says:
they are your enemy and DR's ally?
Paddy says:
yes indeed
snoopy369 says:
day 1? or first contact
Paddy says:
Aqua is a snake
Paddy says:
1st contact
snoopy369 says:
ah ok
snoopy369 says:
well, that doesn't shock me
snoopy369 says:
tho they were pretty backwards when we found them
Paddy says:
DR have provided us much information
snoopy369 says:
they were either not tech partners then and/or they were hiding it well
snoopy369 says:
VERY well
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
well I would expect the very well
Paddy says:
also they have a long common border that needs little protection
Paddy says:
DR stripped their lands to head north
snoopy369 says:
ahh yessir
Paddy says:
and gave us info on Lost Boys
snoopy369 says:
lol not a very good ally then either
snoopy369 says:
or at least not a military ally at all
Paddy says:
boastful of how good they are while begging
Paddy says:
aqua is a snake
snoopy369 says:
Going back to babylon for a minute, i'd like to suggest a really good reason for you to hold off on them for a while
Paddy says:
complex
snoopy369 says:
oh yessir i know that
snoopy369 says:
anyway
snoopy369 says:
Assuming you're not friends excepting the feudalism deal with A-M
Paddy says:
do tell - I will take this phone call as you write
snoopy369 says:
a destroyed babylon is a stronger A-M, far more than it is a stronger you
snoopy369 says:
and Krill is a very, very good player, his youth regardless
Paddy says:
back
Paddy says:
A-m yes
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
a destroyed babylon is a happier world
snoopy369 says:
Perhaps ...
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:
i'm just saying that a destroyed babylon is a stronger A-M to your south
Paddy says:
well I need to give that back to the council for discussion
snoopy369 says:
of course
Paddy says:
my personal feeling is that Babylon want out - so bye - poersonal feeling only
I also team captain, so team can decide
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
I don't think Beta wants out - but he's gone atm so no way to involve him
snoopy369 says:
i think he's back soon, but i forget when
Paddy says:
if you think of any other reasons to keep babylon, please email Plato and I so we can get that to council asap
snoopy369 says:
i shall consider it
Paddy says:
ok, and beta back any day now
snoopy369 says:
was Babylon suggesting that THEY Had a large force, or that someone ELSE had a large force?
snoopy369 says:
good
snoopy369 says:
my PM box was shockingly empty - no saves played for 3 days due to company/etc. and i have only 3 saves waiting for me
Paddy says:
someone else
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
A-M or LB, i guess
Paddy says:
hahaha
snoopy369 says:
unless DR is being supertricksy
Paddy says:
doing the numbers, neither DR or AM have the troops to do that
Paddy says:
well other then the forces we can see of theirs
snoopy369 says:
no idea about any of their forces, so i have no idea
snoopy369 says:
excepting DR's of what we can see
Paddy says:
cheers, thus we feel babylon trying to blow smoke at us
Paddy says:
you can see nearly all of the DR force
snoopy369 says:
hehe
snoopy369 says:
oh i assume so yes
snoopy369 says:
based on the 'strong' - 'weak' etc.
Paddy says:
and some number calculations etc
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
ok 1 mo
snoopy369 says:
i mean based on MY strong/weak calcs
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
ok - if we agree to a cease fire for this turn
and work very hard this week on peace and war plans etc

then - can we now discuss troop movements up north

I think there was another point we were going to discuss at this time - do you recall?
snoopy369 says:
hmmmmmm
snoopy369 says:
too many things going through mind to recall
snoopy369 says:
but i can read up ;0
snoopy369 says:
from our end, the short term = cease fire/cease advancement/disengage, and the long term = foreign relations, resource/boundaries/etc.
snoopy369 says:
north is fine
snoopy369 says:
what do you want out of us up north?
snoopy369 says:
i presume you have specific desires given you bring up what looks to us to be a relatively irrelevant location
Paddy says:
DR will expect some action up there
snoopy369 says:
action from you?
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
not a great concern to me
snoopy369 says:
well if you're trying to hide something, just act as if we abandoned said town
Paddy says:
hahaha
Paddy says:
no not needed
Paddy says:
ok, if I move my lads back, that allows you to move in...
Paddy says:
or a truce in place
Paddy says:
a literal cease fire in location
snoopy369 says:
hmm
snoopy369 says:
?
Paddy says:
well all units stay as they are
Paddy says:
yu see us, we see you - we have 1 turn cease fire
Paddy says:
then work on peace for next turm
snoopy369 says:
you just asking me not to move units into Rolling Stones?
Paddy says:
and we not attack
snoopy369 says:
or do you mean you would like to leave the horses there
snoopy369 says:
for one turn
Paddy says:
literal cease fire
Paddy says:
both sides stand in place up there
snoopy369 says:
hmmm
snoopy369 says:
that is probably doable
Paddy says:
I do not have General Ljube here
he may want his lads to regroup in one tile, they are currently
3 in 1 tile
1 in another

Paddy says:
so possibly the 3 would move west 1 tile to regroup
that is thus away from RStones
snoopy369 says:
hmm
snoopy369 says:
that would be fine
snoopy369 says:
southwest i assume you mean, onto the 4th horse
Paddy says:
yes, so either stand as is, or move back 1 tile.
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
that is acceptable to us
Paddy says:
ahhh you can see them
snoopy369 says:
yess rolling stones is on a hill
snoopy369 says:
hence 2 square visibility
snoopy369 says:
well, or else it's the city boundary visibility
snoopy369 says:
i've never been good at which is which
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
with ceasefire - no razeing and no pillaging by \either side - ok
snoopy369 says:
and we would have your word that you would not capture that city
Paddy says:
Yes Great Lord, you would have my word
Paddy says:
Enough damage has occurred
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
My people will honour a one turn cease fire
Paddy says:
Yet wewould have to get moving on matters
Paddy says:
and if we truelly to have peace with Babylon, then I have to tell you some intel
and please do not take this too badly
snoopy369 says:
of course
snoopy369 says:
and of course
Paddy says:
this would release quite a large force of troops for something else
Paddy says:
my people have done the numbers, we currently out number DR and yourselves combined
snoopy369 says:
no doubt
Paddy says:
if this is an elaborate trap then having that force released from babylon would be most unwise
snoopy369 says:
I am not one to create traps, sir
Paddy says:
as their would be no more diplomacy
Paddy says:
I have learnt that point Snoop
snoopy369 says:
I ask on behalf of babylon, because they are our true allies
Paddy says:
Yet so too I know Aqua and his tongue
snoopy369 says:
I am no friend of Aqua's.
Paddy says:
ok.
snoopy369 says:
I feel that Ankh-Morpork is the risk, and that Babylon is a smooth counter to A-M's forces
snoopy369 says:
There's a high probability that if you go to war with DR, A-M would ally with said nation
Paddy says:
Indeed
Paddy says:
Many possiblilties there
Paddy says:
Many
Paddy says:
A_M have done well
Paddy says:
taken some key towns from babylon
Paddy says:
so I understand
snoopy369 says:
no posting of battle reports, though
Paddy says:
oh
snoopy369 says:
not that I recall anyway?
Paddy says:
I thought AM were double posting them
snoopy369 says:
maybe i've been not noticing
snoopy369 says:
they did a while ago
snoopy369 says:
or do you just mean those a while gao
snoopy369 says:
ago*
Paddy says:
well been a while since save etc
Paddy says:
I an old man now, was young when we starteed
snoopy369 says:
hehe
snoopy369 says:
what, 2300 posts later
Paddy says:
and people get up me in the publiuc threads - struth I just a crotchety old despotic dictator that should be long gone
snoopy369 says:
lol
Paddy says:
surely more than 2300 posts
snoopy369 says:
well you be in feudalism, no?
Paddy says:
feud... gov change you mean?
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
we despots
Paddy says:
me DESPOT
snoopy369 says:
hrm okay
Paddy says:

snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
I thought my posts clearly showed that
snoopy369 says:
lol
Paddy says:
ahhh well I can make them a little more Khanish....
Paddy says:
leave no one alive etc
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
ok, so we keep ceasefire secret business. if either side lets word out then peace off?
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
well at the discretion of the offended side
snoopy369 says:
but yes i shall not release it outside of my team
snoopy369 says:
your southern force shall also not advance i presume?
Paddy says:
we will not advance - bad idea for a ceasefire
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
but it is good to lay things out directly
Paddy says:
well said
snoopy369 says:
when is plato typically available
Paddy says:
many different hours through the day - depending on appointments / workload etc
then late in the night
snoopy369 says:
yessir of course
snoopy369 says:
just that he never has been available to talk to me apparently, and i've not been ENTIRELY unavailable ...
Paddy says:
I will chat with him oin this
snoopy369 says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
and if it needs to be someone else, so be it
Paddy says:
down south
Paddy says:
I have units outside your boirder
Paddy says:
I would like to rearraneg them a bit - admin thing
but they will not move into the ruins of U2 or cross your cultural border
Paddy says:
?
snoopy369 says:
not a problem
snoopy369 says:
particularly if it's towards Sidon (evil)
Paddy says:
thanks
Paddy says:
as a change is in the wind etx
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
units in the south can move etc, to meet teams requirements, not threarten/ing or attacking the other, nor moving in on each other.???
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
ok here goes


Paddy says:
I Paddy, Khan of the Blood Oath Horde agree to a cease fire for the turn 1100bc

we agree in the north - all units to hold in place

we agree in the south - units can move etc, to meet teams requirements, not threarten/ing or attacking the other, nor moving in on each other.

snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
I, Snoopy369, turnplayer of Euphorica, agree to the above statements
Paddy says:
ok. done.
Paddy says:
have fun with the turn
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
will send it in a sec
snoopy369 says:
basically done
Paddy says:
hahaha
snoopy369 says:
ok done
Paddy says:
tx

	18-08-2005 04:50									#74
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The save has been held up due to:




snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
playing the save, but i hit i snag
snoopy369 says:
the Admin's moves for DR changed something significant
snoopy369 says:
not between us, that is, but
snoopy369 says:
affected a move i made, in a way that would cause me not to make that move
snoopy369 says:
normally not a big deal, IMO, but in this case that move gave me information about the DR forces ... nothing surprising, but confirmation that they were there
snoopy369 says:
I'd prefer not to make that move again ... but ...

	31-08-2005 09:15									#75
	Chat with Snoopy Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I had this chat with Snoopy the other eve


snoopy369 says:
i shall play the turn shortly, assuming it's fairly trivial as i think it will be ... are we still ceased firing?
Paddy says:
cease fire... what did Plato say the other day
snoopy369 says:
hm?
snoopy369 says:
Plato has not been online for me to talk to for quite some time
snoopy369 says:
a week indeed
Paddy says:
no way...
Paddy says:
really
snoopy369 says:
well
snoopy369 says:
not when i was online ...
Paddy says:
ahhh
snoopy369 says:
but i was online all last night from 5pm-1am
Paddy says:
what of emails?
snoopy369 says:
haven't anything from him ..
snoopy369 says:
i shall go and check ye email box now, but i didn't see anything yesterday
Paddy says:
have you emailed him? asking for further cease fire
snoopy369 says:
i PMed him
snoopy369 says:
this morning ... i had been hoping to talk to him before this turn
Paddy says:
when?
Paddy says:
oh....
snoopy369 says:
um, don't recall exact time ... noon probably or so,
snoopy369 says:
when i awoke
Paddy says:
hmmm
Paddy says:
he has family affairs on
Paddy says:
hang 5
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
no prob
snoopy369 says:
i don't really have time to chat a lot about it right now, i have to wake up in 6 hours
Paddy says:
been 3 - 4 days since you had last save
snoopy369 says:
but a little is ok
snoopy369 says:
hm, thereabouts
Paddy says:
ok, and you om'd him today
Paddy says:
just searching all my stuff
snoopy369 says:
search away ..
Paddy says:
ok, I have no information here on cease fire for this turn from either Blood Cell - Plato is your Ambassador, or from my Red Gaurd Generals that lead the troops in that theatre
Paddy says:
hmmm
Paddy says:
the generals would need to know etc
Paddy says:
as they send me the movement orders
Paddy says:
and no paperwork here from Plato
snoopy369 says:
look ... just to get down to the point - are we still moving toward peace or not?
snoopy369 says:
If we're not, then theres' no reason for a cease fire, and i'll play that way
Paddy says:
not my position to make that call
snoopy369 says:
if we are, then we should continue with a cease fire ...
Paddy says:
there is a committee on that subject
snoopy369 says:
i'm sure ...
Paddy says:
Plato is on that
snoopy369 says:
last i left him, he said he needed to get back to me after our initial chat
snoopy369 says:
with the feelings of the horde etc.
Paddy says:
that this turn
snoopy369 says:
hence why i'm still waiting ...
snoopy369 says:
that was last turn, in fact
Paddy says:
ahhhh
snoopy369 says:
monday ...
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
i have had *nothing
snoopy369 says:
since that chat
Paddy says:
bugger
snoopy369 says:
excepting him apologizing for missing monday, and telling me we still had a CF last time ...
Paddy says:
2 things:
Paddy says:
1. I will send message to Plato on this, and to get an answer for you
2. if no answer, then please play on, and the committee will have to suck it up.
Paddy says:
are you happy with those ideas
snoopy369 says:
well
snoopy369 says:
i won't be playing the turn today then, it will be late tomorrow as i'm gone all day
snoopy369 says:
but otherwise it's fine, assuming 'play on' means continue ceasefire ...
Paddy says:
when would you play today?
snoopy369 says:
right now.
snoopy369 says:
going to bed in not too long
Paddy says:
personally, please play the save
snoopy369 says:
and leaving home 15 mins after i wake up and shower, so i can't play tomorrow AM
Paddy says:
and as no contact, I must say that cease fire must be considered off
Paddy says:
we will be talking in Horde on this at length
Paddy says:
and may be back in touch on coming days
Paddy says:
that is a committee issue
Paddy says:
I am not on that committee
snoopy369 says:
If the cease fire is off, for a single turn even, we will never make peace with you again.
snoopy369 says:
For any reason.
Paddy says:
oh
Paddy says:
really
Paddy says:
why not
snoopy369 says:
We would have to abandon our city up north, and there would no longer be any purpose to peace with you.
Paddy says:
what size is Rolling Stines?
Paddy says:
Stones
snoopy369 says:
I'll probably just wait to play it; if the peace is indeed off, we'll want to see if DR is willing to offer us anything.
snoopy369 says:
RS is size 2, so thus i'd have to abandon it.
Paddy says:
yes indeed
Paddy says:
so you pressure me on this so you can play, then not like my response and still want to hold the save
snoopy369 says:
No.
Paddy says:
Why not have come higher days before
snoopy369 says:
I wanted to have your response, and assumed it was cease fire continues.
Paddy says:
all very last minute these last turns
snoopy369 says:
I've been waiting for Plato to get back to me for a week now, sir.
snoopy369 says:
You told me his was my contact.
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
He hasn't been online, and had most recently told me he was going to check with the horde and get back to me.
snoopy369 says:
Thus I hardly think you can blame me for this.
Paddy says:
indeed
Paddy says:
I just want to get moving
snoopy369 says:
I would too ...
Paddy says:
ok... a compromise to get the game moving
Paddy says:
what if Rolling Stone not attacked this turn?
snoopy369 says:
hrm
snoopy369 says:
Honestly i don't know
snoopy369 says:
this turn, iirc, is the turn i'll first have the opportunity to face DR
snoopy369 says:
I really need to know if peace is happening, yea or nay
Paddy says:
I understand
snoopy369 says:
because this is my last opportunity to approach DR if it's nay
snoopy369 says:
I have not contacted them yet, as I felt we were getting somewhere
snoopy369 says:
and that would not be honorable
snoopy369 says:
but ...
snoopy369 says:
One day won't kill us, and I think after these negotations for these next few turns, whomever they be with, the game should move smoother as fewer complicated decisions are necessary
snoopy369 says:
You could expect Monday sometime the save, at the very latest, as i'm off monday also and spending it all day at my apartment
snoopy369 says:
whatever time is convenient i'd send it by
snoopy369 says:
early day i mean
Paddy says:
hang 5
Paddy says:
almost mate
Paddy says:
I reading much stuff
snoopy369 says:
k
Paddy says:
ok, looks good
snoopy369 says:
k ...
Paddy says:
I am willinng to make a decision here as Khan

snoopy369 says:
kk
Paddy says:
if that means save played
snoopy369 says:
I can't guarantee that until i hear the decision
snoopy369 says:
but i shalle do my best
Paddy says:
you say you can strike DR this turn
snoopy369 says:
i haven't opened it yet, so it depends on their move, but assuming they followed the move, i think my horses could
snoopy369 says:
i'm not sure i would, it depends on what they did
Paddy says:
you poulling punches with me now
snoopy369 says:
hm?
snoopy369 says:
pulling punches means i'm hitting you less hard than i could?
snoopy369 says:
<< confused
snoopy369 says:
i can open the save if that'll help
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
opening, 2 secs
Paddy says:

Paddy says:
I have them with 17 units at Beach Boys 1
so you couls get them their with any and everything
snoopy369 says:
yes
Paddy says:
Immortals with cats and only 2 spears
snoopy369 says:
beach boys 2, actually
Paddy says:
and 1 or 2 horse
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
they moved as i thought they would, so they are in striking range
Paddy says:
cool
snoopy369 says:
i wasna sure if they were going to head towards abba or not
snoopy369 says:
this could have been a feint, and we would have lost due to it
snoopy369 says:
or at least fared poorer
snoopy369 says:
but fortunately aqua/etc. aren't as clever as they could be
snoopy369 says:
anywho
snoopy369 says:
continue
Paddy says:
ok must see action this turn
You ask for peace but then threaten us?
Show us you are really for attack by hitting hard now
1 more turn on cease fire, but you must act now

snoopy369 says:
um
snoopy369 says:
believe you me, our commitment to destroying DR should not be in question
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
but ... that sounds like rhetoric, not a peace treaty
snoopy369 says:
we are not threatening you in any way ...
Paddy says:
cool
snoopy369 says:
the question from our camp is, if we attack now and weaken/destroy DR's forces, as i'd hope we would
snoopy369 says:
will we then suddenly find BOH attacking AbbA two turns later?
Paddy says:
what has Plato said on that
snoopy369 says:
basically nothing ...
Paddy says:
oh
snoopy369 says:
that the first thing we had to do was destroy DR, and i was fine on that, but as i tried to suggest other issues
snoopy369 says:
he said he had to get back to the horde
snoopy369 says:
and that not all agreed on peace etc. so he needed to get back to decide first on peace or not, before issues
Paddy says:
I have said I am not on that Peace Committee
but Snoopy, you will definately have us attacking Abba in two turns if you don't
snoopy369 says:
I don't doubt it ...
snoopy369 says:
but we need something concrete
Paddy says:
Many things under discussion...Metallica an issue to some

snoopy369 says:
or we will be forced, as you must understand, to try and deal with DR
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
because this turn is the crucial turn
Paddy says:
concrete now? from me
snoopy369 says:
if we destroy DR's force, you have gained the biggest thing you will gain from this
snoopy369 says:
and we will be at our weakest ...
snoopy369 says:
and have lost most of the bargaining power we have w/DR
Paddy says:
if you attack DR now, you will gain great applause from within the Horde
snoopy369 says:
i realize you may not have power to make that decision now, but ...
snoopy369 says:
applause within the horde helps me not ...
Paddy says:
yes it does
Paddy says:
you gain more support
snoopy369 says:
that be grand and good
snoopy369 says:
but
Paddy says:
and I will join that committee and help you broker the peace
snoopy369 says:
we need more than just support, sir ...
snoopy369 says:
we have to have something agreed upon before we actually attack them
snoopy369 says:
i think that is crucial, from our side
Paddy says:
well it is too late then
snoopy369 says:
don't doubt that we will go out 100% to attack this stack and destroy it entirely
Paddy says:
way too late
Paddy says:
I could only offer you a cease fire
snoopy369 says:
I understand that ...
Paddy says:
you now want more
snoopy369 says:
I wanted more a week ago!
Paddy says:
I never heard
snoopy369 says:
i understand Plato may have personal issues outside of game etc. etc.
Paddy says:
many in Horde
snoopy369 says:
but there are many of you
snoopy369 says:
exactly!
snoopy369 says:
why didn't someone else confer with me?
Paddy says:
sorry you did not push others of us
snoopy369 says:
I was under the impression that Plato was the right one to talk to ...
snoopy369 says:
and that he needed time to get back to me
Paddy says:
yes mate he is
but if no reply

and this your most crutial week etc
Paddy says:
do you think it a most crutial week for Horde?
snoopy369 says:
I have no clue what is crucial or not for the horde
Paddy says:
many see whole issue as a side show to race thier horses at our Horde Games
snoopy369 says:
Look ... you can't offer me peace treaty right now, or even a concrete step towards it, i understand this
snoopy369 says:
so I think i should wait to play the save until the morrow
Paddy says:
but this most crutial for you right?
snoopy369 says:
I'm not going to debate with you whether I should have bugged you or not ... I don't see this as relevant
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
what happens tomorrow if the committee says no
do you hold the save another day to then begin talks with DR?
snoopy369 says:
If I'm going to not approach DR with a last-minute proposal for peace, then I need to know that BoH *will* make peace with us; not necessarily have finished hammering out the proposal, but that it will be done, and that the two things I mentioned a long time ago as vital will be in some way met
snoopy369 says:
I probably would try and talk with Aqua sunday night/monday morning my time, he's often on then iirc
snoopy369 says:
it's possible another day would be needed, depending on whether he was amenable or not and if there were complex details needed, yes
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
I don't like delaying the save any more than you
snoopy369 says:
but this turn is probably the most singly important turn for us in the entire game
snoopy369 says:
if anyone deserves a few days to play a turn, it is us, on this turn
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
Snoop, best we leave this here
snoopy369 says:
k
Paddy says:
You have a lot of information, and still need more, I undersatnd that.

Paddy says:
I will add no time pressure on this turn in any thread.
snoopy369 says:
I appreciate that
Paddy says:
as turn player, I work hard at keeping time etc
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
I apologfize that I not have all the information that will assist you at this hour
Paddy says:
I will have someone from Blood Cell - hopefully Plato, contact you via email asap
Paddy says:
you should have that when you wake
Paddy says:
so you can think it over through the day
snoopy369 says:
kk
Paddy says:
Thank you for this chat
snoopy369 says:
as i said i'm not logging on tomorrow morning
Paddy says:
I will send a transcript over to the Blood Cell
snoopy369 says:
but i will consider it when i do so tomorrow evening
snoopy369 says:
k
Paddy says:
ok.
snoopy369 says:
thank you and have a good night/day/whatever time it is
Paddy says:
what a mo
Paddy says:
I have a committee member on line
snoopy369 says:
wow, Plato is online?
Paddy says:
they voted on your peace
snoopy369 says:
didn't see that before today
Paddy says:
no not Plato
snoopy369 says:
before this moment i mean
snoopy369 says:
he's online according to msn anyway
snoopy369 says:
kk
Paddy says:
2am his time
snoopy369 says:
and mine
Paddy says:
committee want peace
Paddy says:
are you willing to play now?
snoopy369 says:
What guarantee are you able to give me about the conditions I held?
snoopy369 says:
Are they willing to agree to a within-20-turns return of metallica?
Paddy says:
within 20 turns... asking details
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
20 specifically isn't requried, but some number close to that would be
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
20 convenient as it is a single deal
Paddy says:
the committe have all these details, not me
snoopy369 says:
i know
Paddy says:
they are willing
snoopy369 says:
Is this someone on msn, can i discuss with them directly?
snoopy369 says:
or on irc chat or whatever
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
icq
snoopy369 says:
lol
snoopy369 says:
I may have an icq account somewhere ... been about 6 years
Paddy says:
they are not of the diplo corp
Paddy says:
so not really willing to talk to you
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:
can you relay questions to them then?
Paddy says:
You the wild cat of the east
Paddy says:
yes
snoopy369 says:
h
snoopy369 says:
hmm
snoopy369 says:
must think a sec
Paddy says:
will you be able to do this and play the save
snoopy369 says:
Assuming the answers are within the realm of reasonability, yes
snoopy369 says:
mcmeadows is online too so i am discussing w/him
snoopy369 says:
just trying to think of what i need to confirm it's been a bit and i have poorer notes than you sir
Paddy says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
hmm
snoopy369 says:
1) is there any idea of the border proposal - particularly, my attempt to propose to Plato the river as the border (roughly) ?
snoopy369 says:
we probably couldn't survive meaningfully on much less land than that, and it would give you a lot more land than you had before
snoopy369 says:
essentially we wouldn't settle anything new to the west
Paddy says:
relaying
snoopy369 says:
of the abba-metallica-rolling stones line
snoopy369 says:
It's an estimate, and we'd want to make a specific line
snoopy369 says:
but if that's within the realm of likelihood then the border part is fine
Paddy says:
it has possiblities
Paddy says:
yes in realm of likelihood
snoopy369 says:
k
snoopy369 says:
second - let's assume we destroy most of the DR force
snoopy369 says:
I think the 60% likely point is we destroy of their 11 2-defense units probably 8
snoopy369 says:
no less than 6 unless the dice gods hate me, no more than 11 (all)
snoopy369 says:
do we count on any support from you right away, or are you going to stay pretend-at war with us?
snoopy369 says:
at least in the short term
Paddy says:
that a red guard call
snoopy369 says:
I probably don't need that this turn, but it would make me better understand other things
Paddy says:
this is way to messy Snoop
snoopy369 says:
i know
snoopy369 says:
My real question, is the iron
snoopy369 says:
Plato had led me to believe that we would get iron traded from you, before metallica was transferred, if it were transferred
snoopy369 says:
but you can't do that if we're at war ...
snoopy369 says:
in order to resist DR for any meaningful period of time, we need iron ...
snoopy369 says:
and can't get it from anywhere else in the short term
Paddy says:
yes
Paddy says:
that is so true
Paddy says:
mate, I think we have gone far enough
Paddy says:
I do not have the entire committee here
snoopy369 says:
i know ...
Paddy says:
and you have 3 issues
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
ok let me get this together then
Paddy says:
does the committe have all these questions?
snoopy369 says:
1) we have an agreement on peace, and simply need to negotiate details
2) we have an agreement that the treaty will give us within a reasonable time frame the city of Metallica, or its equivalent, within 1 square of the iron
3) we have an agreement that the treaty will not require us to abandon any towns, thus demarking the border not significantly further than the river that currently forms our
snoopy369 says:
border
snoopy369 says:
If those 3 things are agreed upon, i can play the save now
snoopy369 says:
Plato didn't take all of my questions, he has some of them
snoopy369 says:
You had all of them at one point i believe, although they probably changed a bit since then 2 weeks ago almost
Paddy says:
one mo
Paddy says:
we have an agreed framework. Committee must approve, then take to Council must approve
snoopy369 says:
um
snoopy369 says:
does that mean that those three things are for sure agreed upon?
snoopy369 says:
or does that mean i need to wait until tomorrow to find out if they're agreed upon ...
Paddy says:
how can it
Paddy says:
forget it
Paddy says:
talk to Plato, talk to DR
Paddy says:
I not of the Blood Cell, not on that committee
Paddy says:
sorry mate - you asking for too much for me this moment
snoopy369 says:
I know ... just trying to find out what i can ask
snoopy369 says:
i do not understand or know your arrangements ...
Paddy says:
each step you escalate your demands
Paddy says:
I offered you cease fire several turns ago
Paddy says:
this should have been sorted
snoopy369 says:
I tried ...
Paddy says:
I here with my sword and horse
snoopy369 says:
Paddy - I wish i could just say "okay, you'll make peace with us, play turn now!" and do it -
Paddy says:
I in this game for the Rumble - remember all those chats before game started.
snoopy369 says:
but i have to have more concrete agreements than that, to believe it truly
snoopy369 says:
I will hold the turn for a day, and perhaps by tomorrow your committee can come to agreement on the three basic points i gave you above?
Paddy says:
You need to talk to the diplomats
snoopy369 says:
i understand that ...
snoopy369 says:
just that the last time i did, i was told he couldn't make any decisions
Paddy says:
They will seek you out
snoopy369 says:
ok
snoopy369 says:
until tomorrow then ..
Paddy says:
There will be decisions made now
Paddy says:
I here to play the save
Paddy says:
sad to have it so close
Paddy says:
Yet so to mate I understand your place
Paddy says:

snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
Ready to Rumble - yes Sir I am.
snoopy369 says:
and I yours (IC2 green? )
snoopy369 says:
you should establish a diplomat type thing with me there so we can talk
Paddy says:
ahhh
Paddy says:
ok
Paddy says:
you need that agreement etc
Paddy says:
go forth, sleep
snoopy369 says:
y
snoopy369 says:
sleep
Paddy says:
sorry this took so long
snoopy369 says:
it's all good
Paddy says:
hahahaha
Paddy says:
you one funny man
snoopy369 says:

snoopy369 says:
i'm one hep cat, and you don't forget that
Paddy says:
I have a message for you
Paddy says:
hehehe
snoopy369 says:

Paddy says:
"Do not let snoop forget that the pistol is cocked and aimed at his head. He needs to stop dictating terms. He will do it our way or he will die"
Paddy says:
some are frustrated at your points
snoopy369 says:
Talking to ljube again ?
Paddy says:
no
Paddy says:
Ljube not back yet
snoopy369 says:
I am not trying to dictate terms ... but we have to have a framework for discussion
snoopy369 says:
threats are silly at this point ...
snoopy369 says:
You gain a lot from us destroying DR's stack, quite possibly literally winning the game as a result of that single action
Paddy says:
I understand
snoopy369 says:
and lose a lot if we make peace with DR and go over to destroy yours, quite possibly losing the game as that action ...
Paddy says:
I just sharing
snoopy369 says:
I know
Paddy says:
the Horde have come alive
Paddy says:
many message baords open on my pc
snoopy369 says:
yessir
Paddy says:
your post on the save thread an attention getter
snoopy369 says:
hehe
Paddy says:
the above post one side of the table
Paddy says:
good night mate
Paddy says:
you do not need all this Horde stuff
snoopy369 says:
yessrir
Paddy says:
They want to rumble - hehehe
Paddy says:
will be internal rumbles today
Paddy says:
we have some lively discussions
snoopy369 says:
yessir
snoopy369 says:
night
Paddy says:
night

	31-08-2005 12:11									#76
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Excellent work Great Khan, no way the snoop can say this seals a cease fire.

I love the way you repeatedly offered up the bowl of goodies then snatched it away again without him ever really understanding what on earth was happening

	02-09-2005 16:55									#77
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	19-09-2005 05:02									#78
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Had an opportunity to twist Snoopy's tail abit


Paddy says:
hi there
snoopy369 says:
hello
Paddy says:
ready foir another fine week?
snoopy369 says:
Sure
Paddy says:
haha
Paddy says:
well we seem to have an interesting situation around Beach Boys
Paddy says:
you have a nice till top fortress there
Paddy says:
curious if you are going to let that fall into my hands, after the strategic withdrawal you have done so far
Paddy says:
is there a consideration we could reach here
snoopy369 says:
No.
Paddy says:
or are you content for me to use Beach Boys as a leader farm?
Paddy says:
so you are thus content to spend your lasts years watching as we benifit with another leader or two? I must say that is most gracious of you.
Paddy says:
We are debating now whether to make a Ancient Cavalry Army, another Med Inf Army, or just rush a foreign Palace.
Paddy says:
Which would you reccommend? Afterall, it is your valued assistance that has helped us get our first army, and in getting our next leader

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then he went off line without answering or saying good bye

	19-09-2005 11:59									#79
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	19-09-2005 13:42									#80
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