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Ok, lets discuss this team and learn what we can of them and their play styles

this information can only help Ambassador Ljube, and Chief Chrisius of the xxxxxx Division

Euphorica Members:
Snoopy369
McMeadows
Wittlich
Rhothaerill
Andydog
Platypus Rex

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Ok my initial thoughts on them

Snoopy369
a warlord. Loyal, and ferocious. Will track ya down when turned on.

McMeadows
a builder who likes to plan ahead. thinks like achess player. more than willing to fight, especially after learning all he can of the enemy

Wittlich
a builder with several play styles. has been known to happily turn on allies when he feels the advantage is his and the prise is worth taking.

Rhothaerill
a canny builder, who has been around demo games & pbems a long time. he has seen alot of different ideas suceed and fail.

Andydog
a fighter, who likes to build. quite haapy to tell you one thing, all the while sneaking a force around ya back to rip the heart out of your civ.

Platypus Rex
very loyal to Snoop. a builder and again a thinker


Overall thoughts
I believe that if we treat them well, they will treat us well.

although we would be wise to never leave the gate unguarded, as they would decimate us at a moments notice if given the chance

treated fairly, and watched clearly, tis team could be the greatest allies that we could have.

they are vicious, and clever enough to destroy any who get in their way.

they are also canny enough to manipulate others for their desire.

a team worthy of meeting in battle

a team worthy of allying ourselves with to the end...

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I'll accept te Euphorican tech trade agreement and ask that they donate bronze now and start the wheel while we're gonna start iron and then trade the two.

Condition: Neither iron nor wheel must ever be traded to any other. The same applies to other resource revealing techs, but that's long way ahead.

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I really like the deal with Euphorica, but how are we to handle the techs we receive in trade from other civs? We can't hide 'em and we should receive adequate compensation from the Euphoricans.

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My reply to Euphorica regarding their tech alliance offer.


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I am overjoyed to report that the Horde accepts the tech treaty you have offered. It is so well designed and fair to both parties that after careful deliberation we have found only one area where correction to one sub-article is needed. We trust you will see the wisdom of this amendment of ours and accept it as enthusiastically as we accept all other articles written by you.


Article 5a. Any tech self-researched may be traded with others with no penalty, providing (2) and (4) have been fulfilled and the tech is not resource revealing or one of military tradition, nationalism and synthetic fibers. Any resource revealing tech and also military tradition, nationalism and synthetic fibers which may be self-researched or obtained otherwise will not be traded with other civs without the acceptance of the other party. Acceptance is automatic if the other party is not at war and tech is not iron working, wheel or military tradition.


If you accept this minor modification of Article 5a, I'm authorised to offer the following deal in accordance with the conditions of our tech alliance. We're 3 turns away from bronze working. I suggest you give us bronze and we proceed to iron. You should start the wheel and after we research these two techs we shall trade iron for wheel which will take into account 3 turns you saved us with your bronze working gift and the initial difference in price between masonry you gave us and pottery we gave you. And our two civs will have the monopoly on iron and horse.


Please send your reply quickly.
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Conclusion of the Euphorica deal. Snoopy's remarks:


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Hmm. Nationalism??? Not exactly a crucial tech in stock Civ ... but i'm not too worried about it either.

I think one change should be made; iron working and wheel are too early to put in this amendment specifically, and very likely to be obtained quickly by others. We should discuss which other civs these can be traded with, yes - but i'm not sure they're of the nature of military tradition.

-snoopy369



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quote:

Nationalism gives tough defender without the need for resources, mobilisation and drafting, so yes, I would say nationalism belongs to the group of techs that should not be shared by one of us with an enemy of the other.

I accept your change regarding iron and wheel. We'll leave it out of the amended Article 5a but agree to discuss sharing it with other civs. Since I don't have any objection to your proposal we can consider our tech alliance treaty SIGNED.

Hooray!

Now what about my proposal? You give us bronze now, we start iron, you start wheel, we give you iron for wheel when we finish.



They will be good and loyal allies particularly because their other neighbour seems to be AQUA

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yes.......... aqua must die

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Had a chat with the Euphorican Leader, Snoop Cat:

Snoop Cat:
heya, when you all road to us, can you just go straight east from that hill upon which we met
Snoop Cat:
that will bring you to our nearest city and allow us to trade luxuries etc. etc.
Paddy:
hmmmm which hilll
Paddy:
cool
Snoop Cat:
right where you saw us at first

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So went into the files and took out the following pic of our first contact with Euphorica...

Colour code:

Brown line - Road since made
Orange line - Proposed roads
Blue line - Euphoricas suggestion on road to join our civs
Red circle - where our popped settler is on there way to

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Looks good to me.

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another idea for the road

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Snoop Cat:
heya
Paddy:
greetings
Snoop Cat:
have a couple of questions for ya
Paddy:
Is this an official DG visit?
Snoop Cat:
Yes, in fact
Snoop Cat:
copy, etc.
Paddy:
May I record it for posting
Paddy:
cool
Snoop Cat:
okay
Paddy:
How may I assist
Snoop Cat:
so two issues we need to sort out
Snoop Cat:
one, is a minor one
Snoop Cat:
that scout you have up by our territory
Paddy:
to your north, yes?
Snoop Cat:
i rather thought we had agreed not to go in each others' directions for a while, obviously excepting the hut pop that we requested
Snoop Cat:
or had i misrecalled?
Snoop Cat:
(or is that over, and we can head west now?)
Paddy:
ok, that would then be my fault.
I understood that we were not to go at each other, so I send out scouts in all 7 over directions of the 8
Paddy:
That scout, The Banshees, found the coast
Snoop Cat:
well, Ljube was just so specific about our warrior not heading toward you until quite far south
Snoop Cat:
indeed banshees
Paddy:
indeed Banshees
Snoop Cat:
anywho, as long as you don't mind us moving west at our leisure, it's fine by me
Paddy:
so when Banshees hit the coast they followed it and have only spotted your border from a distance
Snoop Cat:
i think we are adequately allied now there's no concern about invasion on either side
Paddy:
As to heading ijn each others directions etc, are we both not to be building a grand road to join our civs etc
Snoop Cat:
oh of course
Snoop Cat:
hence why i figure it no longer matters
Snoop Cat:
i'm not worried about you invading us, and you need not worry about the same
Paddy:
thus we need to head there and thus know what is available, and let the engineers scout out correct placement of roads
Paddy:
We welcome your efforts and friendship
Snoop Cat:
and we may need a vacation on your sunny beaches
Snoop Cat:
you have beaches, right?
Snoop Cat:
I mean, i'd never ally myself with a civ with no beaches ...
Snoop Cat:
(Just kidding )
Paddy:
and we look forward to the Grand Road being constructed soonish
Paddy:
hehe
Snoop Cat:
excellent, our furs will line your robes shortly
Snoop Cat:
Anywho, now that is taken care of, a more significant question
Paddy:
indeed
Snoop Cat:
rather a topic for discussion, i suspect
Snoop Cat:
We should begin discussing our expansions, and borders and whatnot
Snoop Cat:
(as well as our plans for the green meanies, but that's later)
Snoop Cat:
As you are more aware of our surroundings than we are of yours, given the scout, i thought i'd let you look at the save that McM is sending hopefully now or shortly first
Paddy:
ok
Paddy:
please know that we have no sign of your western borders, nor your southern
Snoop Cat:
ah yessir
Snoop Cat:
well, southern is DR and desert i'll tell you that much
Paddy:
thank you old salt
Snoop Cat:
heya, do you know how DR got myst? (Was that you all or is there another civ they're trading with)
Paddy:
We have had no trade with that nation
Snoop Cat:
hmmm
Snoop Cat:
and you got myst. from a hut, no?
Paddy:
If I remember correctly, yes
Snoop Cat:
did you trade it with babs?
Snoop Cat:
might have been them
Snoop Cat:
trying to figure if someone developed it from whole cloth
Snoop Cat:
Babs might have, after all i don't doubt that they might be ToA rushing
Paddy:
I apologise, but at this hour, I have not recieved Ambassador Ljubes trade report
Snoop Cat:
hmm finding out if it was this turn or before*
Snoop Cat:
I think they traded IW for Mysticism this past turn
Snoop Cat:
i'd hope it was IW for myst+something, but who knows
Paddy:
indeed
Snoop Cat:
ok, save almost ready for ya
Snoop Cat:
mcm and i still ironing out one detail
Paddy:
Thank you
Snoop Cat:
In terms of things we can talk about in teh meanwhile
Snoop Cat:
We were wondering how much room you have towards A-M
Snoop Cat:
as opposed to towards us
Snoop Cat:
as that makes a difference in the border calculations, obviously
Snoop Cat:
as does our border on the south with DR
Paddy:
well as mentioned I do not know your border
Snoop Cat:
yes i know ours
Snoop Cat:
nothing specific, but are you expecting to be able to settle cities down there
Paddy:
so hard to say what difference could be
Snoop Cat:
We would be hard pressed to settle a single city significantly south of us
Paddy:
oh that be quite a shame indeed
Snoop Cat:
any city we put there would already be closer to DR than to us, and they'd probably object ... militarily
Paddy:
but good to also know the DR will not be planting cities to your border
Snoop Cat:
Hence our concern at this early stage ... west and north are our two only options
Snoop Cat:
yes, the wonders of barren land
Paddy:
indeed
Snoop Cat:
but you've seen that already in the second hut popping
Paddy:
what of your east
Snoop Cat:
water ...
Paddy:
hmmm
Snoop Cat:
probably one or two cities east of where we have now
Snoop Cat:
but essentially all north and west
Snoop Cat:
unles the far southeast turns out to be useful, but ... DR is there anyway
Snoop Cat:
Northeast, there's probably a little
Snoop Cat:
we haven't gone that far northeast, you'll know more than us shortly
Paddy:
Please know that my coucil will have some time to look into this matter...
and that we being true Allies will be true in our response
Snoop Cat:
Oh of course
Snoop Cat:
hence why i wanted to bring it up early
Snoop Cat:
it's just that your first city was to the east, towards us
Snoop Cat:
and we had concerns that we would have insufficient room to build
Snoop Cat:
You are further south than us, also, no?
Paddy:
thank you for that, allowing the Horde Council to gather and discuss matters is a hard task, so allowing time lets them all write in from their various districts and duties.
Snoop Cat:
Well, i'm assuming you're not going to be settling half a dozen cities in the next few days
Snoop Cat:
(If so, you can just take the crown now and go home )
Paddy:
hehe
Paddy:
Long Live the Horde, we may have many members, but not that many settlers
Snoop Cat:
hehe
Snoop Cat:
yeah your name is more than appropriate for your vast membership
Paddy:
as to being further south, I would need to look this matter over with a design engineer from the council, but basically I do not believe that we are
Paddy:
We Be Horde
Snoop Cat:
hehe
Snoop Cat:
You look to be, as long as your currently closest city is roughly even with your other ones
Snoop Cat:
but not by much, mind you
Snoop Cat:
i'm more thinking in terms of optimal city placement
Paddy:
Which of our Towns do you see?
Snoop Cat:
The newest one
Snoop Cat:
i think?
Paddy:
"Bloodview"
Snoop Cat:
new three or four turns back
Snoop Cat:
oh yes
Snoop Cat:
that one
Paddy:
ok.
Snoop Cat:
sorry was forgetting the name
Snoop Cat:
great name btw
Paddy:
Our Great Soothsayer will cackle with smiles on hearing this
Paddy:
As to optimal settlement placement, the many builder/warriors that sit on the Horde Council will indeed be very interested in hearing your thoughts and responding with their own opinions, of that we can both be assured.
Snoop Cat:
oh yes
Snoop Cat:
Specifically, there is some niceish land to our southwest that may be closer east-west to us but might be closer north-south to you
Paddy:
As we then enter this new time of enlightenment between our nations, I will discuss with the council for sending a team of the Horde to scout out the land between our nations that currently lies in darkness
Snoop Cat:
yessir
Snoop Cat:
and we will scout some as well, eventually
Snoop Cat:
tho you have more ability to do so than us
Snoop Cat:
we hope to find some of the lost boys
Paddy:
if only the great tech of map making allowed for the true making and trading of maps...
Snoop Cat:
ah yes
Snoop Cat:
well, we had rather hoped that at one point, but it was ultimately turned down i believe
Snoop Cat:
possibly by the mapmaker himself
Paddy:
that being a matter that should allow for dismemberment of said Dom type character
Snoop Cat:
hehe
Snoop Cat:
well, he has ceased trying to get into our dg at least
Snoop Cat:
ah, you have the save now i believe
Paddy:
that would be correct
Paddy:
I have opened the save, what would you like to discuss
Snoop Cat:
Btw, mcm has indicated that at the present he has no plans for trading writing or literature
Snoop Cat:
Oh, just the borders ... you can think about it for a few days as needed
Paddy:
thank you.
Snoop Cat:
Only thing you could tell us regarding the border discussion, is how the north looks for cities
Snoop Cat:
we will be checking it out in a bit, but i think this turn you discover parts we aren't sure of
Paddy:
at this time we have our band of warriors, The Wanderers, in your area.
It is they whom popped the Literature hut.
I will swing them towards your borders, for scouting to assist the Horde Council.
Ok?
Snoop Cat:
unless there's just coast all the way down
Snoop Cat:
Okay
Snoop Cat:
also could be helpful in scouting particularly close to the DR
Snoop Cat:
if you want to give them a scare
Paddy:
What we have seen so far, you have some nice looking land available up there
Snoop Cat:
that is good, we had thought it might be so, but to the NE is what i mean
Snoop Cat:
tho you only get one move this turn, i suspect
Snoop Cat:
unless you go 3
Snoop Cat:
which doesn't tell us as much anywho
Snoop Cat:
so nevermind, we'll just look at it for a more concise picture
Paddy:
yes so do I, banshees report that hills and the hint of tree lines
Snoop Cat:
yeh what we see
Paddy:
It certainly had been hoped for more of the fabled huts
Snoop Cat:
be careful up there tho
Snoop Cat:
no, i don't think so unless it's on one of the squares we can't see
Snoop Cat:
there is for sure a barbarian camp on one of those squares
Snoop Cat:
we will mop it up in a matter of several turns, but not instantly
Snoop Cat:
you may need to be careful with your scout.
Paddy:
indeed
Paddy:
yes, forests constrict movement
Snoop Cat:
yeh, sadly
Paddy:
and the Banshees have nice long legs
Snoop Cat:
perhaps some deforestation can occur, who knows
Paddy:
hehe
Paddy:
Writing will be sent accepted this turn
Snoop Cat:
k thx
Snoop Cat:
lit next turn i guess, stupid pbem trades
Paddy:
indeed
Paddy:
can our scout, the Banshees, pass through you lands to scout out between our nations, thus allowing the warriors, The Wanderers, to head off to the DR borders
Snoop Cat:
hmmm
Snoop Cat:
Well, at the moment no, because you'd not live very long, the barbs will make it inside the borders before we kill them
Snoop Cat:
let me take this under discussion
Paddy:
ok, thank you
Snoop Cat:
We have decided that once you are safe from the barbs, you can do so
Paddy:
thank you
Snoop Cat:
Not a problem.
Paddy:
do we have more you would like to discuss
Snoop Cat:
not at the present sir hordeleader
Paddy:
Thank you for taking this time.
Snoop Cat:
and thank you as well sir
Paddy:

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Well done Paddy!

Particularly good for us is safe passage of our Banshees through Euphorican territory and your evasion of the big issue: Division of the land between us.

Set boundaries are good for building friendship, but bad for normal growth and expansion. Now you know my opinion on this already, but I'll repeat it for the others in the Horde: I think we should push, push, push ...

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a possible offer of maths...

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Snoopy:
ahh excellent to see you here sir pad
Paddy:

Snoopy:
an official question to ask of ya
Paddy:
yes
Paddy:
did I make a mistake
Snoopy:
Is my understanding correct that you have undertook the research of mathematics?
Snoopy:
oh no sir
Snoopy:
don't think so anyway, i know little
Paddy:

Snoopy:
and/or are going to undertake such research
Snoopy:
(depending on the philosophy)/
Snoopy:
?
Paddy:
this be secret between us, ok
Snoopy:
it was indeed my understanding that nobody was to know of your research of philosophy
Snoopy:
if that is what you mean
Paddy:
yes
Paddy:
you an I
Snoopy:
anyway, you're still on it yes?
Paddy:
our boffins are still having the converstaion at this time on what to do after Philo
Snoopy:
oh ok
Paddy:
yes we are
Snoopy:
well i would like to affect that decision a little
Snoopy:
because of info i have
Paddy:
please do tell
Snoopy:
it is very likely that around the time you finish philo, mathematics will have been obtained by us
Paddy:
ahhh excellent
Snoopy:
now, it is up to you as to whether you think it is safe or desirable to delay philosophy, until after mathematics is obtained, to get a better free tech
Snoopy:
but either way i suggest mathematics not be your next tech
Snoopy:
It is not a guarantee at this point, it is a new development
Paddy:
may I ask the nation you are dealing with on this
Snoopy:
um, i suppose you may ask I don't mind telling, but i'd like some assurance you won't deal seperately with them unless we fail to make a deal ourselves
Paddy:
Please be assured that we not deal separately with them
Snoopy:
ah well then ok It is our friends the Desolate Row
Paddy:
hehe
Paddy:
thank you
Snoopy:
We and they will finish our current researches at roughly the same time, so it is easy for us anyway
Snoopy:
yessir
Snoopy:
and moon seemed to like the sound of hbr
Snoopy:
not sure i'd usually trade math for hbr, but ...
Paddy:
and may I ask/confirm that you are not trading writing with them
Snoopy:
is up to them i guess
Paddy:
hehe
Snoopy:
ah no, have not indicated our ownership of said tech
Snoopy:
we hope to trade hbr for math
Paddy:
hehe
Paddy:
well done
Snoopy:
altho we are looking into other things as well, don't want to say anything in case they go awry
Paddy:
cool
Snoopy:
brb
Snoopy:
b
Paddy:

Snoopy:
question, theoretical at this point ...
Snoopy:
if another civ has self-developed writing
Snoopy:
what is it worth to keep them from trading it (particularly to DR) do you think
Paddy:
not sure, but it would definitly benefit all nations to keep that from DR
Snoopy:
yes
Snoopy:
well, it may be an issue
Snoopy:
i'll let you know if you can help in this matter
Paddy:
ahhh
Snoopy:
i'm not sure if this third party civ is telling the truth or not
Snoopy:
but ... when next save comes around, we'll know.
Paddy:
cool

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Paddy says:
hello
snoopy says:
hello friend
snoopy says:
oh, my email about writing is apparently no longer relevant
Paddy says:
why
snoopy says:
sadly, that which i was worried about already happened
snoopy says:
as you can tell from your save
Paddy says:
oh, where did all this writing come from
snoopy says:
Two separate civs developed it, i think
snoopy says:
or at least lost boys
Paddy says:
did not look at dr
Paddy says:
oh, sad indeed
snoopy says:
A-M may or may not have developed it themselves, i'm unsure
Paddy says:
so was that the maths deal you talked of th oether day?
snoopy says:
DR is developing math
snoopy says:
they will be done soon i think
snoopy says:
we'
snoopy says:
we're working on CoL btw
snoopy says:
so don't take that as your free tech pls
snoopy says:
but anyway
snoopy says:
we hope to trade horse for math
Paddy says:
may I ask why you did not tell me more the other day..

snoopy says:
hoped* to trade writing for math, but that's a no go
snoopy says:
Which other day?
snoopy says:
i probably didn't know more
Paddy says:
when you told me about possible maths deal
snoopy says:
all this writing stuff has shown up in the past 2 turns
snoopy says:

snoopy says:
It wasn't nearly sure yet
snoopy says:
and it's not like they had the tech yet anyway, so i had no hurry
snoopy says:
but then writing popped up from LB and all heck broke loose
Paddy says:
indeed
snoopy says:
anywho, we hope to get math, but it's still not sure
snoopy says:
we're working on it
Paddy says:
cool
Paddy says:
glad you are out there
snoopy says:

Paddy says:
how far to CoL
snoopy says:
just started
snoopy says:
you should have rec'd HBR right?
Paddy says:
yes, thanks

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Ok, the land between the Euphoricans and ourselves is finally opening up, as per the attached pic.

You can see that they do have a settler and spearman heading out into this area to settle. At this time they have not specified where they will settle...

We need to come to some decission on what we want of this area.

It also must be noted that we are obligated by a previous contract to build the road between our two nations. We got a settler from a hut they guided us to, and our part was to build the road...

At this time we have done little regarding the road...

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Id say the river should be oure but ill wait to see he thoughts of others before I attempt to speak to snoop about this

Paddy could you link this from the Blood cell

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Yes, we must push, push, push!!!

In all likelihood, their settler/archer combo's heading for that spot near their iron and that furs. We should grab as much of that river as we can and say the border is there.

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Yes, we must push, push, push!!!

In all likelihood, their settler/archer combo's heading for that spot near their iron and that furs. We should grab as much of that river as we can and say the border is there.


well one could be sure that that is their iron...

and let it not be forgotten that Team Euphorica ia our only allie, and we are still in their debt. ie. the settler... road issue

ok, a bit of fun...

Orange circle - posible location of Euphorican city

Orange lines - eventual Euphorican city limits

Pink lines - possible extra Euphorican city limits

Red circles - proposed Horde cities

Blue lines - eventual Horde city limits

Brown lines - possible Horde roads

Yellow lines - the fabled road to Euphorica

so thus....

Green line - proposed Border... see pic in next post that could be sent to

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borde map for discussion with Team Euphorica

ok, I propose that neither side can build in a tile that ajoins the green line


also the issue of sharing this pic... we are not allowed until maps can be shared in game... and that is a long long way from here


so we need it all coded...

I will do some numbers soon

edit: well once we have map making we can send this pic over

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Chris says:
hello Snoopy
Snoopy says:
and hello to you
Chris says:
is it a convenient time
Snoopy says:
Convenient enough
Snoopy says:
whats up
Chris says:
cool
Chris says:
good to speak with you at last
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
I have taken over for the horde to be the link between our two teams
Snoopy says:
yessir
Chris says:
and wanted to chat with you about some ideas
Chris says:
do you mind if i record this
Snoopy says:
I never do
Snoopy says:
(Unless i say something to the effect of 'don't record this'
Snoopy says:
)
Chris says:

Chris says:
OK great stuff
Chris says:
Ive been keeping up to date with all your discussions with Ljube and Paddy
Snoopy says:
yessir
Chris says:
and Ive spoken with Paddy many times
Snoopy says:
good reading?
Chris says:
so i know pretty all that I need for us to be able to develop our alliance further
Snoopy says:
yessir
Chris says:
indeed
Chris says:
I believe we should strengthen our relationship
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
so I wanted to propose something regarding our tech treaty
Chris says:
at the moment there seems to be lots of discussion about his tech costs this much but that tech coasts this much
Chris says:
all pretty boring really
Snoopy says:
yessir
Snoopy says:
sounds good so far
Chris says:
at the end of the day all we really want is to coordinate with each other and share the benefits no ?
Snoopy says:
Essentially, yes
Chris says:
ok
Chris says:
well how about then we from this point just share straight up
Snoopy says:
hmm
Snoopy says:
ie all techs you get go to us
Snoopy says:
all techs we get go to you?
Chris says:
both communicate what were researching and share the techs as they come in
Chris says:
yes
Snoopy says:
through research, or through trade, or both?
Chris says:
no keeping a count on whose spent more shields etc
Chris says:
just swaop techs
Snoopy says:
swap, or gift
Snoopy says:
see these are two things
Chris says:
well gift yes but swap really
Snoopy says:
is it still a 1:1 exchange
Chris says:
there will be times when a 1:1 is not possible
Snoopy says:
or is it just 100% of what you research goes to us and the reveres
Snoopy says:
reverse*
Chris says:
but why not get the benefits of a new tech when each other does
Chris says:
yes as soon as we or you get a tech then send it along
Snoopy says:
hrm ... let me discuss this with the clan
Chris says:
I think our alliance is strong enough for this
Chris says:
ok
Chris says:
one other thing
Snoopy says:
It is a substantial change, so i cannot okay it myself
Chris says:
we also share all monetary gain from trade of said techs
Chris says:
I understand
Snoopy says:
and will there still be the limitations on trading techs, or are those gone?
Chris says:
so if we give you a tech and you profit by selling it on then you share with us the gold and we do likewise
Snoopy says:
I think that may be a point we care particularly about
Chris says:
well what limits would you like ?
Snoopy says:
Oh, i think we prefer less limits
Chris says:
I think we are singing in the same Pugh
Snoopy says:
we as a team seem to be more interested in trading than (in the past) you all have been
Chris says:
only thing that worries the Horde is DR getting too many military techs
Snoopy says:
lol
Snoopy says:
i think they have the only one they'll ever need
Chris says:
yes sadly
Snoopy says:
okay i will pass this on to the team
Chris says:
so a tech lead is definitely beneficial
Snoopy says:
we will respond with all due haste
Snoopy says:
yeh, i wish we had beaten LB to trading DR writing tho, but that was not to be helped
Chris says:
but we need to agree on how big this lead should be
Snoopy says:
we didn't meet them in time
Snoopy says:
Ah yes, that would be a concer
Snoopy says:
concern*
Snoopy says:
we definitely realize that you all have done a bit extra to date on the tech spot
Snoopy says:
so were this to pass, we would not mind if you slowed for a bit to upgrade your warriors as you have stated
Chris says:
well yes maybe but we dont weant to hold you to any silly deals
Snoopy says:
but overall we would like at least into the second era as quickly as reasonable
Chris says:
me too
Snoopy says:
We can always hold tech powwows as needed
Chris says:
I hope we get Philo first
Snoopy says:
ah, you will
Snoopy says:
and LB is researching philo
Snoopy says:
so don't talk to them about it
Snoopy says:
they asked us a very ... specific ... question
Snoopy says:
and we answered it very ... specifically
Snoopy says:
"Are you all researching philosophy?"
Chris says:
we have decided only to talk to your team about technology
Snoopy says:
"Oh, no, go right ahead"
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
the others are only customers
Snoopy says:
hehe
Chris says:
indeed
Snoopy says:
the BOH/Euphoria branches of the Great Tech Store
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
yes thats my view on it
Snoopy says:
how long to philo?
Chris says:
so sell sell sell
Chris says:
1 or 2 turns i think
Snoopy says:
hm
Snoopy says:
let me check about math
Snoopy says:
if we could get math before you get philo that would be optimal
Snoopy says:
so you get math and then bonus tech / construction
Chris says:
well if we can get this new deal signed then you will get everything we get straight away
Chris says:
lovely that would be
Snoopy says:
yessir
Snoopy says:
math is my specific interest tho
Chris says:
would you mind if i invite Paddy ?
Snoopy says:
i hate it when i get philo bonus and it's something like mapmaking
Snoopy says:
go right ahead
Chris says:


Paddy has been added to the conversation.

Chris says:
are you there old salt
Paddy says:
hello
Chris says:
so how far off maths are you ?
Snoopy says:
apparently it is too far off
Snoopy says:
DR is, actually
Snoopy says:
not us
Snoopy says:
we're on Code of Laws
Snoopy says:
just started 1 turn ago
Chris says:
ok well we wont slow down philo
Snoopy says:
DR is apparently still 5-6 turns off of maths
Snoopy says:
yeh just go ahead
Snoopy says:
get Mapmaking as free tech i suggest
Chris says:
Philo in 3
Snoopy says:
at 2650
Chris says:
hmm i will have to ask the horde for direction on that
Snoopy says:
or 2700
Snoopy says:
Mapmaking is the most expensive tech available, if we don't get mathematics
Paddy says:
2650
Snoopy says:
so it's the best choice
Snoopy says:
We'll get CoL soon enough
Chris says:
ok ok cut all this costs analasys
Snoopy says:
hehe
Chris says:

Chris says:
doing me head in
Snoopy says:
DR will probably get it around 2600
Snoopy says:
so, unless you want to slow it for 2 turns
Snoopy says:
(which is probably safe)
Snoopy says:
but
Snoopy says:
not necessarily good idea
Chris says:
no i think thats too risky
Snoopy says:
yessir
Chris says:
we must get it forst
Chris says:
first that is
Snoopy says:

Snoopy says:
i think only LB is working on it now, and they are 1 turn into it
Snoopy says:
maybe 2 turns now
Chris says:

Snoopy says:
ok
Snoopy says:
moonbars said HBR for math =
Chris says:
OK well about this tech proposal of mine I look forward to your response when you have had a chat with the team
Chris says:
sounds good
Snoopy says:
yessir
Snoopy says:
I suspect it will pass muster
Chris says:
I have one other issue to speak with you about
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
Paddy as done a pic of the land between us with a border proposal
Snoopy says:
yennic
Snoopy says:
yessir*
Snoopy says:
just get mapmaking first
Chris says:
Paddy can you send it to 75 ?
Snoopy says:
Mapmaking is necessary before such a pic can be exchanged
Chris says:
Hmmm
Snoopy says:
however you can have mapmaking in like 3 turns, so just wait a few
Chris says:
OK
Snoopy says:

Chris says:
will do I think you will be happy with the proposal
Snoopy says:
do i?
Snoopy says:
do you?
Snoopy says:
whatever
Snoopy says:
can't type
Chris says:
LOL
Chris says:
so do you have any requests of the Horde
me go there now
Snoopy says:
I believe we have no requests at the current time
Chris says:
OK so we end the official bit then now

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

A city 999 from bloodview would be a great starting point for our road

We can then road directly eastwards to cennect to the euphorains

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Paddy says:
hi
Snoopy says:
lo
Paddy says:
ahh I hear chris found you
Snoopy says:
yessir
Paddy says:
good work on the word
Snoopy says:
i am a hard person to find
Paddy says:
hehe
Paddy says:
Snoop, where is your settler headed old chap?
Snoopy says:
Presumably the one to the north?
Snoopy says:
forget if we have two
Snoopy says:
but
Paddy says:
hehe
Paddy says:
neare the iron
Snoopy says:
i think he is headed just northwest of the capital
Snoopy says:
or is there a second one? hmm
Snoopy says:
well, we are building one city NW of our capital very near, and one building around the iron
Paddy says:
can you please specify where near your iron?
Snoopy says:
Um, near it?
Snoopy says:
within 1 square
Snoopy says:
but i forget exactly where
Paddy says:
yes...
Paddy says:
oh ok
Snoopy says:
It's well within our sphere of influence
Paddy says:
yes thanks
Paddy says:
I am doing a report on that area between our civs etc
Paddy says:
as Chris said, we would like a clear and friendly border
Snoopy says:
yessir
Paddy says:
my proposal will be along the lines that neither side can settle within any tile ajoining the boirder
Snoopy says:
hm
Snoopy says:
i don't think we'd want that aggressive of a deal
Snoopy says:
that would be wasting squares
Snoopy says:
we'll talk more when mapmaking comes out sir
Snoopy says:
i'd rather wait until then - border is not defined until that point anyway
Snoopy says:
but we don't intend to get particularly close to you until then
Paddy says:
indeed, thanks

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I totally agree w/ that map. I was going to suggest the same location for our cities... get that one last city on the river and make sure we have access to our hill of gold!

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OK this just in from the Bards, their response to my earlier tech share proposal !! Joe = Snoopy

We approve.

Details:
1. All techs researched, popped, or traded for must be sent immediately
(the turn they are received), accepted, to the other team.
2. Any tech that is traded for gold, the gold must be shared 50-50 with
the other team
3. Any tech traded for any other benefit, the benefit must be shared as
equally as possible.
4. There are no limitations to tech trades, however the teams may
discuss techs they think shouldn't be traded or should be limited.
5. Both teams shall meet at least every 10 turns to discuss tech
progress and where they will be going from there. During this meeting,
minimum tech standards can be set that should be adhered to during the
next 10 turns as a condition for continuing the deal (ie minimum science
levels).
6. Either team may back out of this with 10 turns notice. At the end
of these ten turns, all techs must be equalized (all techs must be owned
by both teams) prior to ending the deal. Also, the deal may be
cancelled at the end of any era by either team as long as the techs from
the previous era are equalized.


Sound good?

-Joe

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OK fellow horders I need your input here, hopefully you have read the chat above and seen my offer to the bards of a more sharing tech deal, well this is the euphorican's initial response.

I like it myself though I was hoping to be rid of details and clauses and such, but perhaps there suggestions offer safeguards to both our teams ?

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Perhaps one addition:

7. Each Team, recognizing that Desolation Row presents a danger to the general peace, agrees to consult with the other before trading any tech of a military nature to Desolation Row. Should agreement not be reached, the trading team agrees to not trade said tech with Desolation Row for a minimum period of 5 turns.

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Latest Border Put an end to popups!

The latest border that can now be sent to the Euphoricans for their consideration

Red Circle - our next city

Brown Line - Road beween our nations

Green line - border

Blue lines - no cities built in these tiles or beyond


please note that this map has been edited by our intell people... as we must be ever vigilant of what we share with any others out side of the Horde

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Looks good

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Help me please as Deputy Minister on Interior what have we as a plan to support our forward posts?

These cities with all the pomp and circumstance are in fact going to be very vulnerable..

I ask as I am pleased and hope that we invest some support from deep within our territory

I have all confidance our Horde sees the necessity of infrastrucutre as well as military support what some would call Sabre Rattling I prefer to call Sabre Clanking

Thanks

Grandpalicious

Deputy Interior Minister

 
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