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Didn't want to thread jack the only ME thread, especially since it was quite sane and nice.

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At least 4 dead in Tel Aviv bombing


Suicide bomber detonates charge at entrance to beachfront night club, close to 50 people injured, including 3 Americans. Security officials estimate Hizbullah involved in attack

BY Avi Cohen

TEL AVIV - At least four people died and more than 50 were injured after a suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to a club near the Tel Aviv beach promenade Friday night.

One of the bodies recovered at the scene may be that of the suicide bomber, the police said.

The explosion took place at the Stage nightclub on the corner of Herbert Samuel and Jonah the Prophet Streets around 11:30 p.m.

Rescue forces were promptly dispatched to the scene and began treating the wounded.

The injured are suffering from blast wounds typical for a terror attack, Ichilov Hospital Deputy Director Avi Asner said.

"There are no children among them, the youngest ones are in their 20s, but some older people were injured" he said.

The explosive charge contained shrapnel that caused serious injuries, another hospital official said.

At least 3 Americans injured

Among the injured was Arieh Sasson, a 17-year-old New Yorker in Israel on a two-month trip.

"I was at a store near the scene of the blast. There was a lot of blood," he said. Two more Americans were also taken to hospital for treatment.

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Bomber likely came from West Bank

Security officials estimate the bomber came to Tel Aviv from the West Bank, possibly from the town of Tul Karem.

Meanwhile, the police have declared a high terror alert across the country and dispatched a helicopter in an effort to locate the second suspect.

The Islamic Jihad and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades initially claimed responsibility for the attack, but later denied any connection. Senior Palestinian Authority officials condemned the bombing and said they accept the later denials.

A Hamas spokesperson said his group is still committed to maintaining the current calm.

A source at the Palestinian Authority said it would "not be silent" about the shattering of the truce and would pursue whoever planned the attack and "inflict the required punishment".

Despite denials, members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Islamic Jihad reportedly fired in the air in celebration after hearing of the attack.

Mofaz says Israel will take necessary action

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz has already spoken with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and is set to hold a special situation assessment with top security officials Saturday.

Mofaz said Israel regards the terror attack in Tel Aviv very seriously and will take the necessary measures to protect its citizens.

Minister of Internal Security Gideon Ezra said the bombing in Tel Aviv would not affect the Gaza disengagement plan.

He said Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas had stationed police forces in Gaza but he had not assumed responsibility for the West Bank. If the attacks continue, he said, Israel would not continue easing restrictions on the Palestinians and would be forced to return to targeted killings.

source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...3050924,00.html


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Is Hizbullah behind attack?


Security officials estimate Lebanese terror group involved in Tel Aviv attack, an assessment shared by Palestinian Authority officials

By Hanan Greenberg and Ali Waked

TEL AVIV - Hizbullah terrorists may have been involved in carrying out the suicide bombing in Tel Aviv Friday, Israeli and Palestinian officials say.

A Hizbullah source in Beirut, however, denied his group was connected to the attack, which claimed the lives of at least four people.

Security officials estimate that several terror groups may have been involved in perpetrating the attack. Earlier, both the Islamic Jihad and the Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the bombing.

Meanwhile, Fatah and Islamic Jihad members fired shots in the air in celebration following the attack.

Officials say they are convinced the terrorist came from the northern West Bank and estimated the bomber came from the town of Tul Karem. The investigation, however, is in early stages and details are still scant.

Recently, security officials warned of the growing Hizbullah involvement in attempts to carry out attacks in Israel. The group reportedly offered large sums of money to terrorists willing to target Israel.

The attack took place as Israel was in the process of lifting restrictions on the Palestinians and allowing freer passage through the West Bank. Security officials will be checking whether the relaxed security procedures helped terrorists carry out the attack.

'Foreign hands were involved'

The Palestinian Authority was quick to condemn the bombing and said the Palestinian government should not be held responsible.

There is no room for sanctions against the Authority or freezing contacts between the two sides, spokesman Saeb Erekat said.

Palestinian sources said the Islamic Jihad or any other Palestinian group have no interest in carrying out such an attack at this time.

"Foreign hands were involved in the attack," a PA source told Ynet.

Other senior Palestinian officials told Ynet they tend to agree with Israeli estimates regarding Hizbullah involvement in the bombing.

Meanwhile, a senior Palestinian security official told Ynet that an investigation into the attack has already been launched.

"The security apparatuses…would act to detain any Palestinian element involved in the attack, if it turns out Palestinians were indeed behind it," he said.

source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,...3050983,00.html

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I think Israel will expect to see serious steps from Abu Mazen and Abu Alaa and his new government.

If not - Israel will likely cancel its end of the 'calm'.


In any case - people have wondered a week ago how Hizbullah is damaging the peace process, or Abu Mazen's strategy. Here you have an answer.

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Just terrible. I hope they find the ones responsible.

The only small consolation is that one feels we're at a time when an attack such as this is instantly considered major news, not like in the recent past where it was more commonplace. But it makes little difference to the people affected by the terror. My heart goes out to them...

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I wonder what it's like to live in a country with so few murders.

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Israel better not overreact over this, They seem to expect perfection regarding the Pals abillity to keep Hamas and IJ under control.

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No.....

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Israel better not overreact over this, They seem to expect perfection regarding the Pals abillity to keep Hamas and IJ under control.


No, they just expect action.

Since they are getting action, I see no reason for them to "overreact".

Face facts. It was Arafat. Not Sharon. Arafat. Not "Arafat and Sharon". Arafat.

When Arafat died, everything changed.

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When Arafat died, everything changed.


Yeah, the Israelis finally started behaving.

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Because they realized there is now hope.

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Maybe if they'd not bombed Palestine willy-nilly, there might have been hope before. If this bombing had occured when Arafat was running things, Sharon would be invading some town right now.

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No, they just expect action.

Since they are getting action, I see no reason for them to "overreact".

Face facts. It was Arafat. Not Sharon. Arafat. Not "Arafat and Sharon". Arafat.

When Arafat died, everything changed.


BOTH sides were at fault. Both sides did nothing because both were wanting the other side to move first, because reciprocal agreements would of POed the hardliners on both sides.

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In any case - people have wondered a week ago how Hizbullah is damaging the peace process, or Abu Mazen's strategy. Here you have an answer.


Since when are allegations answers?

We hashed the problems with your statement in the previous thread, so if you want to dig them out, go right ahead.

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Maybe if they'd not bombed Palestine willy-nilly, there might have been hope before. If this bombing had occured when Arafat was running things, Sharon would be invading some town right now.


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Is this story from an American or Israeli news source. By the authors name I'd say Israeli, but I would like to know before I try to make a point.

ACK!

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BOTH sides were at fault. Both sides did nothing because both were wanting the other side to move first


Uh, Israel had already started planning a withdrawl from Gaza.

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Originally posted by chegitz guevara If this bombing had occured when Arafat was running things, Sharon would be invading some town right now.


Uh, yeah. Because Arafat wouldn't have taken any action.

Well, except for funding some of the terrorists.

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It was reported by an Israeli Jew.

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A senior commander of a Palestinian militant group, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah, which is funded by Iran and has been trying to disrupt the cease-fire, hired a Palestinian from the northern West Bank to carry out the bombing. Palestinian security officials also implicated Hezbollah.

A Hezbollah official in Beirut denied involvement. "As far as we are concerned, there is no need to respond to such lies that we have become used to it," the official said.


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Palestinian security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they had tracked recent communications between Hezbollah militant Kais Obeid and a Palestinian who they believed was the attacker. They did not name the attacker.


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=532795

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ugh. Well, we'll see how El Presidente handles it.

I almost went clubbing to Tel Aviv last night....


I wonder how will this "blame crazy Shiite bastards" game will play out. Though it is also possible that this is true.....

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Arafat is dead. Sharon is not. Unless you plan on killing him, you better hope peace without Arafat and with Sharon is possible.

IJ and Al-Aqsa behaviour seems strange. How plausible are their denials?

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No matter who did it,
if this bombing damages the peace process,
it will be a success for those who planned and ordered it.

So we better hope, that both, the palestinian as well as the israeli government do the right thing,
to preserve the peace process.

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IJ and Al-Aqsa behaviour seems strange. How plausible are their denials?


Well, they usually, but not always, claim responsibility. But then, it's usually benefited them to do so (in terms of gaining a reputation/morale), and if they're mostly interested in simply derailing the peace process (while avoiding any immediate wrath from Israel or the PA), it wouldn't be in their interest to do so now.

Hezbollah TV were the ones who reported Islamic Jihad's claim of credit, and since Hezbollah is a likely suspect, it does make that claim more suspect. Of course, one of those pointing the fingers at Hezbollah is Al-aqsa, but they're not the only ones doing so.

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Maybe if they'd not bombed Palestine willy-nilly, there might have been hope before. If this bombing had occured when Arafat was running things, Sharon would be invading some town right now.


Why not when they could expect no serious reaction from Arafat. The fact that Isreal isn't doing just what you said should tell you something..

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Well, they usually, but not always, claim responsibility. But then, it's usually benefited them to do so (in terms of gaining a reputation/morale), and if they're mostly interested in simply derailing the peace process (while avoiding any immediate wrath from Israel or the PA), it wouldn't be in their interest to do so now.

Hezbollah TV were the ones who reported Islamic Jihad's claim of credit, and since Hezbollah is a likely suspect, it does make that claim more suspect. Of course, one of those pointing the fingers at Hezbollah is Al-aqsa, but they're not the only ones doing so.


Isn;t it convinient for both the Israelis and Palestinians to blame Hezbullah?

If the sun did not go up tommorrow, the first statement from the Israeli government would blame it on hezbollah, and Iran, and if it is Hezbollah, the PA can state that, hey, it wasn;t one of theirs, so get of our backs somewhat...

So the claim is that Hezbollah just called this guy and said, hey, go bomb..hmmm, who made the bomb? Who transported him? A one man suicide cell? That's new.

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So the claim is that Hezbollah just called this guy and said, hey, go bomb..hmmm, who made the bomb? Who transported him? A one man suicide cell? That's new.


No, they said, "hey, Al Aqsa cell in wherever, here's 20,000$, blow something up".

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Isn;t it convinient for both the Israelis and Palestinians to blame Hezbullah?


For the Palestinians, probably, but that doesn't mean it need be false. For Israel, not so much. If Hamas or IJ are behind it, it puts more pressure on Abbas to actually deal with the groups, which is certainly in their interests.

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If the sun did not go up tommorrow, the first statement from the Israeli government would blame it on hezbollah,


Thank you for the straw man.

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Its a correct strawman thought. That's what is so fun about it.

Again, this is a one man suicide cell?

Maybe Hezbollah is involved, but as of now, all there is is allegations, not proof.

I am more interested in seeing what Abbas does.

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Its a correct strawman thought. That's what is so fun about it.


Israel has a history of repeatedly making knowingly false accusations of Hezbollah?

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Maybe Hezbollah is involved, but as of now, all there is is allegations, not proof.


No proof (as far as we know), but there is evidence suggesting their involvement. (from the reports of $100,000 Hezbollah is offering, to the communications mentioned above)

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Israel has a history of repeatedly making knowingly false accusations of Hezbollah?


I am sure Foreign Ministry spokemen would honestly believe Hezbollah must have been involved, somehow, if the sun did not come up. After all, they are THE great enemy right now.

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I am sure Foreign Ministry spokemen would honestly believe Hezbollah must have been involved, somehow, if the sun did not come up. After all, they are THE great enemy right now.


The most recent claim from "military sources" is that the order came from Islamic Jihad headquarters in Damascus, not from the Hizballah.

 
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