01-03-2005 10:28									#1
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Opening up the save.

	01-03-2005 10:29									#2
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Diplomacy:

RP sends 100g + WM accepted.

	01-03-2005 10:32									#3
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Builds:

EotS finishes Bomber
Cyclone finishes Worker
Pollution strikes Bolderberg
Arashi finishes MI
OG finishes Submarine
Pollution strikes Blizzard
WoC finishes BB
SA finishes MI

	01-03-2005 10:40									#4
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Military Advisor:

Lego Forces:

1 Settler
5 Infantry
2 Tank
1 Transport

ND forces: (average)

31 Worker
1 Explorer
20 Marine
14 Cavalry
53 Infantry
81 Tank
13 Mech Infantry
17 Transport
1 Submarine
8 Destroyer
1 Battleship
5 Nuclear Submarine
18 Bomber
4 Ansar

GoW forces: (average)

1 Settler
20 Worker
4 Explorer
31 Marine
10 Cavalry
56 Tank
63 Mech Infantry
52 Artillery
27 Transport
7 Carrier
2 Submarine
20 Destroyer
1 Battleship
2 Nuclear Submarine
6 Fighter
25 Bomber
2 Rider

	01-03-2005 10:43									#5
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Sabatoge costs:

Borcem 10206
Sullaban 4624

Killdaria 12572
Port Isolation 2684
Alert 2504
Resolute 2856
Leviathan 3108

	01-03-2005 11:19									#6
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Unmentioned battle report:

GS 2/5 DD has been sunk.

	01-03-2005 11:22									#7
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I've looked in the S, and the Lego Transports down there are gone. I guess they attacked our 2/5 DD with one or both of them, won, and disbanded the survivor(s).

	01-03-2005 11:41									#8
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Looks like ND has finished Rocketry.

Rocketry, cost 240, 24 turns at 20%
Ecology, cost 260, 32 turns at 20%
Nuclear Power, cost 280, 34 turns at 20%

Given those numbers, Rocketry should take ~30 turns at 20% if no one has it, right? But it's at ~4/5 of that.

	01-03-2005 12:24									#9
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Closing up the save.

	01-03-2005 12:40									#10
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Anyone have any idea what Lego is up to?
Is there a point to them still playing?

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Good work Aeson.

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ZargonX in the public forum:

quote: I've decided that, rather than play the spoiler with our remaining military, I'm going to give Lego a dignified retirement. As you may have guessed, we've got some settlers stashed away on ships here and there throughout the world The point being, when I try to disband the final ship with the final settler, it crashes the game. Is there any way to retire from a PBEM without crashing it in this situation, or do I have to have the ship sunk by another team?

Follow up discussion indicates that baiscally they've put one settler on land somewhere to be killed by whoever finds it first, and disbanded the rest of their units.

Do we have some kind of answer from Trip vis a vis the UN builds / mobilization bug yet?

	01-03-2005 20:30									#12
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No, we don;t have any answer from Trip, at least I didn't receive anything (and nothing has been posted here).

Further: Lego's going down, so we are going to end mobilization. This is going to create problems: not only with the wonder prebuilding, but also with half finished mil units. It sounds like ND is now stronger to us (they are average, but have loads of infs that can be upgraded).

Lastly: can we build the internet when moblized?

DeepO

	01-03-2005 21:08									#13
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Why is ending mobilisation a problem. We don't have to end if we don't want to (or, equivalently, we can remobilise immediately - or do we lose one turn of mob bonuses by doing that? - or if we take out the last lego settler, can we avoid that problem too).

In some ways it would be an advantage - we get to switch some builds to non-military if we feel like it before mobilising again.

	02-03-2005 04:30									#14
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Happy Birthday Aeson!

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Happy birthday Aeson

Fantastic Job! I'm lurking

	02-03-2005 08:32									#16
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Go ahead with the mobilization bug. At this point the damage is 'done', so to speak. I will speak with MZ about the issue so that may not be a permanent thing.

Apologies for the delay, I've been exceedingly busy as of late... (Trip types from his office)

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Happy Birthday Aeson!

Trip, for the bug: I'm not perfectly sure on the shield count involved for us, but it could mean that in order to offset ND's 'damage', we need to play with mobilization in a less conventional way. E.g. being in mob wile ending the war with Lego, just to build wonders in time.

PS: I can understand busyness...

DeepO

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Happy B-day Aeson. Looks like Lego gave us all a present.

	02-03-2005 22:45									#19
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Happy birthday Aeson

I'd say:"have a beer on me" but seeing as you don't drink...

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Happy Birthday Aeson I hope you had a good day.

	02-03-2005 22:55									#21
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Bon Anniversaire, Aeson!

Diplo-wise the balls are in ND and Vox's courts respectively. Should we let RP know that we are trying to get them Fission? Also, is there anything we need to be talking to GoW about?

	04-03-2005 01:51									#22
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Um, does RP have about 7 units on Legoland? Just wondering as ND reported 7 tanks victories and did not say who they fought.

	04-03-2005 02:19									#23
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No, RP has no units on Legoland. We've got a bunch of workers, GoW is a possible (but unlikely) target, and Lego had 7 units remaining... my guess is that Lego is gone.

Or we are under attack. Which would be fun

DeepO

	04-03-2005 02:20									#24
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Lego had 8 units, but needed 7 victories... 1 settler who is captured without a fight.

DeepO

	04-03-2005 03:04									#25
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The only reasoon that I can think of, for ND to kill off Legoo, is to lower the amount of gold needed to research a tech, and wouldn't that help us more than them? Or to stop them from pillaging ground, but they had no reason to do that...

Maybe we ought to rethink our Strat if Lego is gone, as we only need anoother Vote (Vox) to win Via diplo...

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Oh, ****...Have RP got that settler in our Core yet?

	04-03-2005 03:38									#27
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Well he has said it was RP, so I guess that means we have a new war now and may face an invasion via RP. Diplo looks to be a moot point if a war is under foot.

	04-03-2005 03:44									#28
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Would it be acceptable to send this to Trip?

quote: Trip, hi Trip, how are you? Not too busy I hope... As you are probably aware, ND have attacked RP. The problem is that they have not posted any battle report other than that 7 Tanks won. Both DeepO and vmxa1 have compained already, but I think it would be wise for this to become official quickly. Could you please ask ND to post a battle report, to the same level of detail as GoW, Lego and GS have done. We don't care about it being in public, but we do want the rules of the gamae to be observed... Gathering Storm

	04-03-2005 04:21									#29
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I would say we could wait a tad and see what develops. I sure woudl like to know what that means, did they sack a buch of cities on Lego or is the report just confused as to who they hit?

Do they not understand that hitting RP means a new global war now?

	04-03-2005 04:28									#30
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I honestly don't know. It all depends on GoW. And Uranium.

We can't build nukes without U235. the only available source of it is on lego, underneath annd ND Inf (if they were smart, they would have settled a city right next to it, rushed walls, and cut the road to the U235). Unless we invde ND and kill them (unlikely), or get it from Vox, we have no chance of winning via SS if we don't go back and reclaim that resource. Only Diplo, and Domination. And for that we would need too Kill both the GoW, and ND standing Armies...