02-03-2005 06:05									#31
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I did. Do you not remember typing the following? quote: Age of majority moved down to 14, upon which full adult rights are granted, and for those 7-14 (or everyone under 14 perhaps), they have a right to petition for and choose to be emancipated and thus be granted adult rights (and responsibilities).

Yes, and my response involved additional changes to how we treat younger folks (below 13/14), so I'm not simply advocating we replace 18 with 14 and be done with it.

	02-03-2005 06:08									#32
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Kids are inferior.

	02-03-2005 06:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT quote: Specifically because youth are raised in schools with zero respect for free speech, associate with adults who have zero resepct for free speech, are raised by parents who have zero respect for free speech, and are restricted by a government that has zero respect for their free speech, is it any wonder that youth perhaps didn't get the message about how great free speech is? Ahhh. You have data backing up those assertions or are you just making up accusations and expecting us to take them as true because you do?

Sadly the definitive book on the subject has not yet been published. It HAS been written however, and I have an advance copy from the author. Since it is just an advance copy, he has asked me not to quote from it. Plus I'm lazy and haven't finished reading it yet.

But one has only to do a comparison between youth today in this country (highly restricted) with youth of over 100 years ago in the US (much less restricted) or youth in other countries (less restricted) to notice the marked difference in behavior and responsibility.

Responsibility comes with freedom and rights, not the other way around.

	02-03-2005 06:23									#34
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Wasn't adulthood considered to start at 21 at that time, however? Further, we are just returning to the average marriage age of that time. This answers to both perceived responsibilities and freedoms.

	02-03-2005 06:30									#35
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The thing about youth "ageism" is that we all outgrow it. Plus, I don't know one person who doesn't think that they were an insufferable *****/***** when they were teens. I'm not going to rush out and give voting rights to 14 year olds. I didn't think that I deserved them then, didn't have much of an understanding of politics. Giving kids that young the right to vote would be defacto giving those kids' parents double votes. Few children that age have views that differ from their parents.

On a side note, the idea of an "emancipated" 7 year old is completely ridiculous.

	02-03-2005 07:39									#36
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quote: But one has only to do a comparison between youth today in this country (highly restricted) with youth of over 100 years ago in the US (much less restricted) or youth in other countries (less restricted) to notice the marked difference in behavior and responsibility.

Life 100 years ago was much less restrictive... just ask the Standard Oil Trust. However, you couldn't mail a Joyce novel through the US Post without both you and the recipient being hauled up on indecency charges, so how that measures up on your "restrictive" scale is beyond me.

Also, I remember how you, earlier in this thread, "assumed" (your word, not mine) that European kids were much less restricted than American kids. Now you are stating it as incontrovertable fact. Have you now come upon new knowledge in the past 10 hours that would make the above statement less of an assumption?

	02-03-2005 07:45									#37
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Yes, and my response involved additional changes to how we treat younger folks (below 13/14), so I'm not simply advocating we replace 18 with 14 and be done with it.

Yes, but you're just replacing one set of prejudices with another - to most people, 14 will be precisely as arbitrary as 18 appears to you. Why not just give the vote to infants and be done with it?

	02-03-2005 08:12									#38
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In a perfect world ppl would only vote on matters that affected them, and would only be taxed/responsible for such issues. However, in this world, we all pay for everyone regardless of age, position, or whether you use something or not.

If nothing else, the youth should consider the curfew, not being able to drink, and not being able to vote a mode of payment for free education and rather limit responsibilies to society.

Again, in politics, you generally have to play to the whole of everyone and the excpetions, sadly, get ignored.

	02-03-2005 08:35									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Kids are inferior.

No, that's Kid is inferior.

	02-03-2005 08:40									#40
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Kuci is always right. Always.

	02-03-2005 08:43									#41
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As is Jaguar

	02-03-2005 08:55									#42
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Baseball cards or life insurance? I can't decide!!

	02-03-2005 10:42									#43
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quote: Age of majority moved down to 14

Woot! I get to kick my (future... perhaps) kid out of the house at 14! Screw you, snot nosed brat!

	02-03-2005 14:54									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Kuci is always right. Always.

Fanboyism


Edit:

quote: Here is something while you wait "Kids today know nothing dumlee do"

	02-03-2005 19:23									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No, that's Kid is inferior.

You don't know what you're talking about kid. Let grown folks talk.

	02-03-2005 19:33									#46
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Oh, you've done pissed off Ozzy now, Kid!

	02-03-2005 19:44									#47
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Some people need to stop acting their age.

	02-03-2005 20:12									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Some people need to stop acting their age.

Some people need to start.

	02-03-2005 20:15									#49
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I know. Adults should act better than children because they are superior to them.


I wonder how Ozzy feels about the juvenal death penalty. If children are our equals shouldn't they recieve the same punishments?

	02-03-2005 20:19									#50
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I broached that subject earlier (along with the concept of sending 9 year-olds to war)... oddly enough, it was not addressed.

	02-03-2005 20:36									#51
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I think it's pretty obvious that young men in particular are not able to make good decisions. Older men know that because they were once young. Younger men, especially teenagers have way too much confidence in themselves.

	02-03-2005 20:41									#52
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Well, the fact is that *all* adults were once kids, but no kids were ever adults in their past. Ozzy might not want to admit it to himself but there is a huge difference between, say, 17 and 25... but you have to be 25 in order to understand this.

	02-03-2005 20:42									#53
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Well, the fact is that *all* adults were once kids, but no kids were ever adults in their past. Ozzy might not want to admit it to himself but there is a huge difference between, say, 17 and 25... but you have to be 25 in order to understand this.

Well said.

	02-03-2005 20:59									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I know. Adults should act better than children because they are superior to them.

Circular logic

	02-03-2005 21:01									#55
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Well, the fact is that *all* adults were once kids, but no kids were ever adults in their past. Ozzy might not want to admit it to himself but there is a huge difference between, say, 17 and 25... but you have to be 25 in order to understand this.

Yep... how many people say that they can't believe the stuff they did when they were younger!

	02-03-2005 23:09									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Circular logic

Hey, you're the one that said adults should act their age.

	03-03-2005 05:42									#57
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Well, the fact is that *all* adults were once kids, but no kids were ever adults in their past. Ozzy might not want to admit it to himself but there is a huge difference between, say, 17 and 25... but you have to be 25 in order to understand this.

However, there is not so much difference between 16 and 18 (I am under the imnpression that 14 is a bit young, because it's basically the statrt of the post-childhood age without any expereience on the new adjustments)

	03-03-2005 05:43									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Circular logic

Kuci is always right. Kid is always wrong. Therefore Kid has obviously been owned.

	03-03-2005 05:44									#59
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Jaguar

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	03-03-2005 05:52									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker (btw, check out my new sig at l'Event )

...Now only three pages long!