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quote: Taking that into consideration maybe it's not a good idea to have a lot of pot running around.

there already is a lot of pot running around

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Pot is dangerous. http://www.personalhealthzone.com/m...ideeffects.html
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4043&n=1

It also contributes to delinquincy and all that horseshit. Nice try, but 2+2 still = 4.

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My experienec of this is really old - I believe the cannabis around today can be very strong.

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Wiggy quotesThe Onion to say pot is bad???????



ACK!

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Pot is dangerous. http://www.personalhealthzone.com/m...ideeffects.html http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4043&n=1 It also contributes to delinquincy and all that horseshit. Nice try, but 2+2 still = 4.

from the first...

quote: In normal circumstances, an individual may smoke marijuana and inject cocaine

that's how long it took me to find out that first link was bullshit

	05-03-2005 12:35									#66
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quote: Originally posted by alva Noithing IS harmless, why expect it from pot?

Exactly.

I knew a guy got killed by drinking carrot juice. Another guy was killed by cod liver oil. Heck, too much water kills you, too.

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Marijuana is dangerous to any local twinkies.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Taking that into consideration maybe it's not a good idea to have a lot of pot running around.

I agree with Horsie that drugs should be regulated like tobacco and alcohol, not outlawed.

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I knew a man who went on a murderous rampage after watching the Teletubbies.

They ought to be banned.

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quote: How was prohibition a failure?

It was a failure in the effect that people still wanted to drink, but productivity levels and sick days did go down. In fact several staunchly Republican areas voted for FDR because he promised to repeal prohibition.

About weed and alcohol. They were together if you smoke the weed after a night of drinking. Caps the evening nicely.

	05-03-2005 15:42									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Pot is supposed to be harmless, why would people bother warning you that if you have a mental illness, that pot will make it worse?

Pot isn't 'supposed to be harmless'.

Like water, sugar, wheat, shellfish, honey, dairy products, eggs and alcohol, too much can kill you, or make some people seriously ill in small amounts.

Aspirin can kill you. Penicillin can kill you. Tobacco kills more people than heroin, year in, year out. Caffeine and cheese and red wine can provoke crippling migraines in some people.

What're you going to live on, air * ?


(filtered and purified through non-manmade devices, of course)

	05-03-2005 16:13									#72
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As a matter of interest, are any of you part of the growing majority of individuals who think smoking cigarettes is the most disgusting antisocial thing in the world and should be banned in all public places? Just wondering.

Legalising pot would mean ludirously high tax on it, so it would be more expensive. From a simplistic consumers point of view, I'd rather get it cheaply and illegally.

And yes, I know those 2 paragraphs are completely unrelated really, I just couldnt be bothered to post twice in one thread.

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Why is pot prohibited when alcohol is not?

Well, put simply, the reason is that it's a "liberalising" issue. It's one of those little carrots that get dragged out to convince people that real progress is being made in the human race, while cleverly avoiding talking about all those side issues like how much tax money gets spent on weapons and how many torture implements get exported.

Put it another way - pot is a smokescreen. Establishments the world over would much rather the populations are docile and compliant - and hey, they can be prosecuted for being docile and compliant, that's even better, eh?

The reality is it doesn't matter a rats arse if pot is legal or not - people smoke it.

Personally I smoke it because I'm trying to stave off glaucoma and I know of no other medication that can help.

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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy Put it another way - pot is a smokescreen.

Certainly is if you puff enough.


It helped my grandfather's glaucoma, and I know of at least one person whose post chemotherapy nausea was combatted by judicious mary jane usage.

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quote: Originally posted by Verres Legalising pot would mean ludirously high tax on it, so it would be more expensive. From a simplistic consumers point of view, I'd rather get it cheaply and illegally.

that simply isn't true i'm afraid

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So pot wouldnt be taxed like tobacco and alcohol? Why not?

Sorry, I'm genuinely confused on this one.

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yes it would be taxed, no doubt a lot, but if you put the production and distribution in the hands of big companies then the efficiency savings would be greater than the tax burden.

this would be true also for other drugs.

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quote: Originally posted by Verres So pot wouldnt be taxed like tobacco and alcohol? Why not? Sorry, I'm genuinely confused on this one.

I'd have thought you could have put a massive tax on pot and it still wouldn't add up to the markup the dozen or dealers put on it before gets to your average joe.

I don't know a great deal about the economics of pot, but I used to know a lot about Ecstasy, about 10 years ago when they were getting sold at around 10 for £70, the people who brought them into the country were paying £1 each for quantities greater than 1000, thats ON TOP of whatever the manufacturers in Holland (or wherever) were making.

Drugs can stand *A LOT* of taxing before they'd actually go up in price.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse My experienec of this is really old - I believe the cannabis around today can be very strong.

Yup, and that is a problem, some can actually almost be considerd to be a hard drug but seeing as it is very difficult to know upfront ( read: not regulated) it can be dangerous, just as it is with XTC, Cocaine...

	05-03-2005 21:08									#80
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Verres:
For an 8th of skunk it probably costs about 20p to massproduce it. Going rate around here is £18-£25. If it was legalised like tobacco I'd have thunk it about £5-£10 including a completely insane amount of tax. On the other hand it's much easier to grow than tobacco.

"Ban it all" people:

Yes it's a drug, yes it can be harmful but then breathing ****ing oxygen will kill us all. Sex can cause heart attacks and alcohol can cause sex. No such thing as a free lunch, you take any kind of chemical or substance in your body and it will have negative effects. So no, it's not harmless, but then neither is anything else... you can't use the "omfg it might kill you" argument if you have a free society.

A couple of B&H every now and again isn't going to hurt, has a different effect to a 40/day habit. Couple glasses of wine a day is completely different to half a bottle of Bells for breakfast. Similarly, a bit of weed every now and again isn't the same as 4 joints a day from the age of 12.

And look at the reason it's illegal. I'm not sure about US and Canada but weed was banned in the UK in the 20's because the powerful wood paper industry lobbied government because hemp paper was a threat.

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The U.S. Tobacco industry has been huge player in keeping marijuana illegal here. After all, people would probably rather smoke that over tobacco if they were the same price and as easily available.

If anti-drug fanatics put as much energy into railing against, say, horrible fast food as they did mari-joo-wana, they would probably save a lot more lives. After all, more people die of heart disease than almost anything else in this country. Junk food is very harmful to the body, can be addictive and leads people to engage in unhealthy behavior. So why no effort to ban that?

	05-03-2005 21:50									#82
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Pot is illegeal because it has been morally and ethicaly unacceptable. All it took was some sevety year old coot in politicas to say this is bad for you and you shouldnt d it. I find it funny how old white men have the say in what all people do now days. I dont smoke pot and not agaisnt those who do iots none of my biz for one and every time i did it made me sicker then a dog. Course i was drinking at the time to.

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quote: If anti-drug fanatics put as much energy into railing against, say, horrible fast food as they did mari-joo-wana, they would probably save a lot more lives. After all, more people die of heart disease than almost anything else in this country. Junk food is very harmful to the body, can be addictive and leads people to engage in unhealthy behavior. So why no effort to ban that?

And who's ever died of a marijuana OD?

quote: Course i was drinking at the time to.

Weird thing... eating chocolate helps to prevent you being sick... mixing it with alcohol is never pretty though.

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Guess ill be staying away from pot since i love my beer and hate chocolate. Oh well

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	05-03-2005 22:08									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Some people who are otherwise perfectly healthy shouldn't drink. Same with pot. The drug, and it is a drug has been very misleading to the people who have ended up using pot, because they are not given the caveat that it will make mental illness worse.

That's one of the problem with prohibition, people are told outright lies about pot intended to frighten them instead of being told about the possible dangers and the responsible way to use drugs recreatively.

And BTW, alcohol is one of the most harmful and dangerous drug available (more so than so-called "hard" drugs like heroine and cocaine).

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I am a woman, and you are a man. The force is now balanced

But please dont make me a man. I like the fact that i can go postal when I want, and as a woman you have the birth given right to do so

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Well what on earth am I supposed to do with these superfluous genitals?

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Pot is supposed to be harmless,

It's not. It's just nowhere near as bad as certain authorities like to say. That makes people completely dismissive of the actual risks. Pot is more dangerous than tobacco. Then again, most people don't smoke as much pot as they do tobacco.

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Well what on earth am I supposed to do with these superfluous genitals?

Hell if i know, just know I dont want em. One set of balls and 1 penis is all I need in my marriage and those belong to tubes