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BeBro
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of the Krauts
Mar 2000
time: 06:35
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For those who don't know what I mean, here's a quite long article about it:
"The Whore Lived Like a German"
Summary: Muslim women that live in Germany, but try to break out of the traditional family background are for some only moving targets, since there male relatives could decide they deserve to die for things like having a boyfriend, or having even sex with him before marriage. Or for doing other things girls normally do.
And yes, I know it is a generalization, and fortunately it doesn't go like this for all of them - but this isn't the point here. Furthermore, I haven't made this thread to bash Turkey, or Muslims in general, or to discuss the Turkey-Eu thing once again. /pc stuff end 
Here I'd like to discuss what in your opinion good measures would be to stop that. In another article about it, those suggestions are made:
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1. Requiring immigrants to take classes on human rights and women's rights beginning as early as grade school.
2. Strengthening the laws regarding women brought from Turkey and Muslim countries as young brides. For instance, say some, the women should be at least 18. And they should be forced to take language classes upon arrival.
3. Forbidding arranged marriages and including a means to prosecute parents who force their children to marry against their will.
4. Breaking up the Turkish-Muslim "ghettos."
5. Creating more programs for Turkish youths.
6. Creating a larger network for women in need.
7. Controlling what gets taught in Quran schools.
8. Aggressively campaigning against violence in Muslim families.
9. Creating job training programs and job opportunities for Turkish women. |
As you'd expect from those Germans, there's a lot of restrictions and forbidding.  But of course, most of this will hardly be done in praxis, and some of those other ideas might actually be useful..... I also vaguely remember reading about similar cases in other countries....anyway....thoughts, flames, ideas?
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nostromo
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Montréal, Québec
Mar 2002
time: 00:35
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i presume its not muslim only, but gender segregated time slots. IIRC Boston had that not so many years ago, to accommodate Orthdox Jews. |
No, it's muslim only. Not only do they ask for gender segregated time slots, but they don't want non-muslim women around. If the lifeguard is non-muslim, its a problem for a lot of women: they feel somehow that it goes against coranic law. They have other revendications as well. They must not be seen from the outside. Even though, its dangerous for the swimmer and the lifeguard, the women must wear clothing over their swimsuits. Mind you, you don't see this in all public pools. Some of them accept these conditions, others don't.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:35
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This is liberal crap. These dudes kill their own daughters/sisters. Hey, if it happens in their own country, that tolerates it by sentencing these men to few years in prison, by all means, pleas do.
When you do it in other countries, that don't look it as a preference of .. doing things, they should get their ****ing heads bashed in. Oh the poor men, who have no opportunities, the poor men who are brainwashed by the old customs and they feel obligated to do it even if they don't want to, it's honour thing, it's all they have. BS. Bash their ****ing faces in. That's what they need, not any BS programs where they can talka bout their inner emotions towards women and sexuality. What do you think will happen? They will drink the free coffee and call the lecturer a ***** who should be strangeled after they get out of the building.
It's an old thing. You think you can change it? None of this BS will ever work. We can't do anything about it really, but we can bash their heads and face in when it happens, and that's what we should do.
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BlackCat
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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Forbidding arranged marriages and including a means to prosecute parents who force their children to marry against their will. |
How is this going to be done? The bride and groom can just say that they want to be married and how will anyone know that the parents have arranged the marriage? |
It can be done - it is done in Denmark, and it seems that other countries are very interested in the concept despite civil rigth groups and left wing parties are going beserk.
The solution is that if the danish citizen is less than 24 it is evaluated if the pairs relations to Denmark is lesser than to another country, then the foreign person isn't allowed entrance. That is, if a 18 year old 2-generation turkish/danish girl is to marry some boy from turkey, they has the choise of living seperated for six years or settle in Turkey.
Of course, the Swedes tries to undermine this by allowing them to settle in f.ex. Malmø.
It isn't without problems, because the rule goes for everyone. so even somebody that can proof their straight descendance from "Gorm den Gamle" (an old danish king with an exstreme amount of descendants , but have been abroad for several years and tries to get somebody they married there back to Denmark has hit this rule.
Besides these hickups, the rule is very efficient, the amount of possible arranged marriages has dropped drastic. Besides helping those who are going to be married, it is also a help to those families that are under pressure from from foreign relatives to use their children as easy entrances, because they can say it isn't allowed.
For the children those six years are also critical - they get the opportunity to get an education and will be stronger to say no, wich may be difficult at 17-18.
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