08-03-2005 01:16									#1
	the congo ... who cares...no one... Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

what can be done.... ?
is this an example of how effective the UN units are....?
if so they need to be reviewed ...
and the rest of the world sits by and watches the slaughter...
but its already a democratic country.. so we won't be doing anything
everyone else in the world doesn't care either..
its apparent from the history of the country
a Belgium colony...completely abused ,used and tossed aside.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

http://www.rnw.nl/foreign/popup/htm...ongo991118.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4026171.stm

anyway this is a presentation , mostly talking and very long..
but listen to parts and skip around.. its interesting.

http://www.cbc.ca/webone/congo/

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	08-03-2005 01:21									#2
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Alas, the world is full of conflicts no one cares about. Western Sahara is another one, Morocco invaded in 1975 after the spaniards left due to Francos death. Many of the western saharis live in refugee camps in Algeria, and have done so for nearly 30 years...

The UN sucks...

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	08-03-2005 01:26									#3
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auf englisch, marocko is morocco. and...

murder, death, destruction, genocide, massacres...

you're right. who cares about the congo? there's nothing of economic value there. don't worry your pretty little head about it too much.

	08-03-2005 01:38									#4
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Marocko, Morocco... You still knew which country it was.

	08-03-2005 01:40									#5
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don't be condescending " cube"

http://www.rev.net/~aloe/value/
value of human life

the congo is rich
Natural resources: cobalt, copper, cadmium, petroleum, industrial and gem diamonds, gold, silver, zinc, manganese, tin, germanium, uranium, radium, bauxite, iron ore, coal, hydropower, timber

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...k/print/cg.html

educate yourself...

	08-03-2005 01:42									#6
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they have diamonds in congo. where do you think blood diamonds come from?

	08-03-2005 01:45									#7
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Lack of a developed oil industry and advanced technology means that in the West, well... the deaths of millions won't affect Joe Smith on his trip to good ol' Mickey-D's. And since millions of dead are just statistics, why should he take a personal interest in it? After all, it's easy to mumble a few inanities about how tragic it is.

Mumbling those few inanities, then walking on and letting hell wash off his back like rain off a roof makes him feel better. He gets the comfort of knowing that it could never happen here. Let him.

Sooner the people there die, the better. Millions dead will lead to billions dead, and the world will still turn. There's no justice; don't bother seeking it.

Death is the only constant in this place.

	08-03-2005 01:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia they have diamonds in congo. where do you think blood diamonds come from?

actually i believe the term derives from the conflict in Sierra Leone.

	08-03-2005 01:59									#9
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yes and liberia, sadly.

	08-03-2005 02:06									#10
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"in the West"..... laugh it up bozo.. genocide is really funny.

this problem was created by Belgium..
so how is it only the "west" who are ignoring the place?

	08-03-2005 02:08									#11
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Genocide is funny. If you can't laugh at things like that, the world is too miserable to live in.

Belgium, schmelgium. Let the whole world ignore it, because in the end, it won't matter.

Five billion years from now, when this globe merges with the font of life, it won't matter.

Why worry?

	08-03-2005 02:11									#12
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well what is in Congo? there's nothing there!

	08-03-2005 02:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion well what is in Congo? there's nothing there!

ahh ...don't guess you read the whole thread


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	08-03-2005 02:14									#14
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some of you guys are a bit too pessimistic, though. try and find how much truth there actually is in the cynical lines you produce...

	08-03-2005 02:18									#15
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quote: Five billion years from now, when this globe merges with the font of life, it won't matter.

Five billion years from now, will anybody remember there was a place called Congo? Most likely not. Hell, we don't know most stuff from just five thousand years ago.

As far as justice not being around, I have yet to see anything that renews my faith in it. Especially when things like tsunamis wipe out hundreds of families, and yet the only thing the Western media cares about is the one white kid vacationing from Sweden who's gone missing, perhaps into child slavery. After all, who cares about the thousands of slanty-eyed kids who live there?

It's easier if you don't worry. It's better for your health. All those stories about what one or two people can do... happy, filler material. In the real world, those one or two people bring hope and joy to a small, finite set of beneficiaries. Everyone else gets the shaft.

And since worrying is ultimately futile... why worry?

	08-03-2005 02:26									#16
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you like quoting yourself? are you OK there?

	08-03-2005 02:28									#17
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No, not quite. Even so, my point remains. Why should I concern myself with this? Why should anyone?

	08-03-2005 02:29									#18
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Expansive and nihilistic at the same time. An interesting combination. I recommend SSRIs.

	08-03-2005 02:34									#19
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Used 'em before. No effect.

	08-03-2005 02:35									#20
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Obviously the cbc cared enough to do a pretty comprehensive story

	08-03-2005 02:36									#21
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Q, I thought you were being ironic, and I'm still not sure. I really can't give much of a care there, and I'm not nearly feeling guilty. if I had any sort of connection to those people, that'd be different. noone's to blame if they don't care for people they don't know.

	08-03-2005 02:37									#22
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Good for the CBC, then.

However, what was its point? A call to action? To do what, stop hell there?
What of hells elsewhere on this globe? Should we be slaves to the media, telling us what places are okay to care about and what places to ignore? Or was it to put a spotlight on something evil so those of us in comfy chairs and decent tellys in first world nations can shake our heads, cluck our tongues, and use a slash command to order from Pizza Hut in EQ2?

	08-03-2005 02:45									#23
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No, I'm quite serious. Sure, I can say that these things are bad. Honestly, if I read them, I'd probably feel pretty miserable about what's going on there.

However, I honestly can't say that I'd feel compelled enough to do anything about it, especially when I know awful things are going elsewhere in the world, and perhaps even in my backyard. Especially if I can't be convinced to assign any value to those that are dying. Stalin has that applicable quote here about tragedies and statistics.

To me, unfortunately, as well as to the vast majority of the world, Congo's a statistic. We'll cluck our tongues and move on. So?

	08-03-2005 02:46									#24
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When I come and think about them, it feels worse than before. But why think about it?

If you're in a position of responsibility, it's sure a big deal. Are we?

	08-03-2005 02:51									#25
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Most likely not. I know at the current moment I'm neither a mover nor a shaker in any of the major spheres of influence (i.e., politics, technology, economics, usw. ...), and I'm assuming that most people that post here are not as well. The anonymity of the internet, though, adds a great deal of uncertainty.

Sure, you can have a grassroots movement to change things in the Congo. More power to the people who organize behind that, let them do what they will. 'Course, it only means that other places will be ignored.

:shrugs:

	08-03-2005 02:55									#26
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what about donating money?

my problem is as follows: I'm absolutely not cold when it comes to these matters. I mean as I have said thinking of suffering people makes me feel bad, too. I'm just not thinking about it.

	08-03-2005 02:59									#27
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Why are you asking me these things?

I'm not here to stop anyone else from doing anything about it. Rather, I'm asking why one should care about it. If you can assign any value to it, and want to help, go right ahead.

Donating money, sure, might help. Is it because you really want to help, to fix something going on thousands of miles away? Or is it to assuage a bit of guilt, or bad feeling, about what's going on there in one of the easiest ways possible?

	08-03-2005 03:00									#28
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this is a f-o-r-u-m. people are d-i-s-c... I'm sure I need not go on

to be quite honest I'm just putting in my thoughts, open for anyone to answer.

	08-03-2005 03:07									#29
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Congo has virtually no infrastructure to speak of so those mineral resources are completely untapped. Additionally, the way the country is drawed up (the sheer size of it is) is unrealistic. The entire country has an badly trained army of no more then 30,000, yet it has more land then Europe.

Quite frankly I just don't care anymore about that region. It isn't of my concern. This is a bad attitude to hold, but I gave up hoping ages ago. They will continue killing each other.

	08-03-2005 03:19									#30
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The affluence of the first world is dependant on the violence of the third. Scary, isn't it?