10-03-2005 03:14									#1
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quote: A former U.S. Marine who participated in capturing ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said the public version of his capture was fabricated. Ex-Sgt. Nadim Abou Rabeh, of Lebanese descent, was quoted in the Saudi daily al-Medina Wednesday as saying Saddam was actually captured Friday, Dec. 12, 2003, and not the day after, as announced by the U.S. Army. "I was among the 20-man unit, including eight of Arab descent, who searched for Saddam for three days in the area of Dour near Tikrit, and we found him in a modest home in a small village and not in a hole as announced," Abou Rabeh said. "We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said. He said Saddam himself fired at them with a gun from the window of a room on the second floor. Then they shouted at him in Arabic: "You have to surrender. ... There is no point in resisting." "Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said. Abou Rabeh was interviewed in Lebanon.

If this is true, why the lie?
If this is false, why the lie?

	10-03-2005 03:16									#2
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Link? I've seen photos of them taking Saddam out of a hole, not a house. Pictures are less of a bad liar, then what someone says.

	10-03-2005 03:19									#3
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http://www.wokr13.tv/news/national/...60-21C8818788D4

also

http://www.drudgereport.com

	10-03-2005 03:20									#4
	Re: Saddam was in a house, not a hole: Ex-Marine Sgt Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous If this is true, why the lie?

To embarass and discredit Saddam by making him look like a coward.

quote: If this is false, why the lie?

To discredit US policy in Iraq and the Bush admin.

	10-03-2005 03:21									#5
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well it would make perfect sense, but then again I don't think this has any significant importance in itself. If they could get him to surrender without too much hassle, it would be worthwhile to ditch him into a hole, take good pics and get him out saying 'here he is'. To portray him as an old man who is tired and has a bad back, hiding in a dirty hole. This image is of course more important to the locals than to us. To see him as weak, and not the man he once was. So they wouldn't fear him and would embrace the liberators.

Then again, maybe he really was found in a hole. Either way, I don't see this as anything huge, as anyone would take the chance to make some propaganda at that point, that could have some impact rather than not do it.

	10-03-2005 03:22									#6
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More GOP lies.

	10-03-2005 03:23									#7
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More gop lies, blah blah blah.. you leftists have got to get a life.

Chances are he was a found in a hole because photographic evidence proves so.

	10-03-2005 03:41									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo More gop lies, blah blah blah.. you leftists have got to get a life. Chances are he was a found in a hole because photographic evidence proves so.

PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE PROVES MANY THINGS FEZZYKINS!!!!!

	10-03-2005 03:47									#9
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Why does Sava have pics of Fez lying around?

	10-03-2005 03:49									#10
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Why does Sava have pics of Fez lying around?

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But why Saddam in the Santa beard?

	10-03-2005 03:50									#12
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quote: Why does Sava have pics of Fez lying around?

Opposites attract

	10-03-2005 04:00									#13
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Someone could always say they put Saddam in a hole & took pictures after the gun battle and capture too.

But, if they found him in a house and there was "fierce resistance" and danger (at least 1 person died), I would have thought that they would play up that story like no tomorrow and make the soldiers (including the dead soldier) sound like heroes. Think of the Jessica scenario or when those individuals in the spy plane were held by China and later called "heroes" simply for being detained. Not much story to say Saddam was found hiding... everyone already knew he was hiding.

After they had Saddam, they could manipulate/discredit his image any way they wish. Like they did with him unshaven and in the orange jumpsuit during the lice/health inspection.

quote: Either way, I don't see this as anything huge

	10-03-2005 04:04									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous If this is false, why the lie?

to denounce the US Army, and to defend the honor of the US Marine Corps, which, at least in public, had no units anywhere near Tikrit at the time. : )

From the halls of montezuma, to the shores of tripoli .....

	10-03-2005 04:05									#15
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'We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said. '

that should be verifiable.

	10-03-2005 04:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sava PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE PROVES MANY THINGS FEZZYKINS!!!!!

edit: sorry.

	10-03-2005 05:38									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo omfg the ****tard posts pictures he doctored and photos he doctored of average photos of me. You could do better then five year old photos, you hopeless ****ing dolt.

post some newer photos then make a photo thread!

	10-03-2005 05:42									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sava post some newer photos then make a photo thread!

I'm sorry. I"m going to edit that original post. I'm sorry ming and everyone, I blew up in anger. Check the community forum and there are photos there.

It is called the community forum, dude.

	10-03-2005 05:43									#20
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The photos were pretty convincing as were the dozens of other people who testified about the case. Now we have one man's word (who may or may not actually know anything) verses dozens of others and a number of photos.

thanks but I'll trust the main stream over this guy until he gives me better reasons to believe him.

	10-03-2005 05:44									#21
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I would tend to think that this story is made up, and that Saddam was found in the hole. It is certainly possible that he wasn't.

The Sgt. seems to have an agenda.

	10-03-2005 05:45									#22
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark 'We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed," he said. ' that should be verifiable.

There were no Marines in Tikrit. I say that as someone who spent 8 months in the city. That zone was all Army.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin There were no Marines in Tikrit. I say that as someone who spent 8 months in the city. That zone was all Army.

Thanks for shooting down his credibility.

	10-03-2005 05:53									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin There were no Marines in Tikrit. I say that as someone who spent 8 months in the city. That zone was all Army.

Oerdin, that was the first thing that came to my mind.


I thought that Saddam's Capture was a 100% Army op.

	10-03-2005 07:42									#25
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quote: Link? I've seen photos of them taking Saddam out of a hole, not a house. Pictures are less of a bad liar, then what someone says.

Someone bombed his "Reading Comprehension" tests...

quote: Originally posted by the article "Later on, a military production team fabricated the film of Saddam's capture in a hole, which was in fact a deserted well," Abou Rabeh said.

	10-03-2005 08:00									#26
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quote: "We captured him after fierce resistance during which a Marine of Sudanese origin was killed,"

Sudanese origin? What does this have to do with anything?

	10-03-2005 08:07									#27
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Mitchell, I assure you Saddam's spider hole wasn't an old well. I've been there. It's located on the east side of the Tigris not far from Tikrit so last March/April a few co-workers and I went there since we lived in the area. A month or so later the Army filled the thing in with concrete and capped to to prevent it becoming some sort of strange ba'athist shrine.

This guy hasn't said much that jives with what people who have been to Tikrit already know.

	10-03-2005 08:21									#28
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Someone bombed his "Reading Comprehension" tests...

Not me because Oerdin already shot down the credibility of this guy. Oerdin was actually there. Liberal, liberal, liberal.. no need to resort to useless, idiotic ad hominems..

	10-03-2005 08:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Not me because Oerdin already shot down the credibility of this guy. Oerdin was actually there. Liberal, liberal, liberal.. no need to resort to useless, idiotic ad hominems..

Either way you misread it. I'm sure it's in the power of the US military to take photographs of a faked situation.

	10-03-2005 08:27									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Either way you misread it. I'm sure it's in the power of the US military to take photographs of a faked situation.

Uh huh. Keep claiming that. Like the same people who said we never landed on the moon.