11-03-2005 00:01									#211
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Christianity is good, paganism is bad, atheism is void.

	11-03-2005 00:31									#212
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What's wrong with paganism, as a whole?

And "void" is fine if a) it's honest and b) it allows us to fill it with ourselves.

	11-03-2005 00:32									#213
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Actually, all three are void, but only one is honest with themselves.

	11-03-2005 00:51									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Just for reference, such denominations as Baptists, Nazarenes, Methodists, Pentecostals, Messianic Judaism among many others are legitimate denominations that do hold to original Orthodox teachings.

Good to hear, because my negative view of Christianity comes in large part from Methodists and Baptists. I'd venture to guess that's the case (mainstream, "legitimate" denominations, that is, not those two specifically) more often than someone forming a negative view of Christianity solely because of Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses.

Edit: crap, that's what I get for skimming the thread.

	11-03-2005 00:52									#215
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I am an athiest because there is NO evidence for any kind of higher power. I am annoyed when people like creationists try to resort to a "God in the gaps" argument whenever our knowlege of a scientific topic is poor. (*cough* intelligent design *cough*)



"Religion is a crutch of the weak-minded" -Jessie Ventura

	11-03-2005 01:04									#216
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, it hasn't. By your own definition, you are not a true Christian. You are every bit as much a deviant as the Mormons and JWs. It was invented in the 19th Century.

I can see that them Marxists have been drilling a lot of hogwash into your brain.

quote: I'm more of a true Christian than you.

That one-liner is worthy being quoted in my sig, but just because I'm Mr. Nice Guy and a Christian I'm not gonna do it.

	11-03-2005 01:10									#217
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This thread is a hot contender for the title of "Lamest thread ever!". It's got discourse on what constitutes true Christianity. It's got Asher and Agathon, coupled with Steve Jobs references. It's got Fez. It's got over-confident atheists stridently asserting that only they have The Way And The Truth. It's got Fez.

Notice the lack of participants from a pagan perspective? We've got too much taste.

	11-03-2005 01:22									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Notice the lack of participants from a pagan perspective? We've got too much taste.

You know, I tend to find it a lot easier to have a civilized debate with them pagans. Though, them arrogant atheists just make me .

	11-03-2005 01:25									#219
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy You know, I tend to find it a lot easier to have a civilized debate with them pagans. Though, them arrogant atheists just make me .

How does saying there is no evidence of God arrogant. I wan't EVIDENCE, DAMIT, EVIDENCE!

	11-03-2005 01:29									#221
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OK. I'm a pagan. There's your proof.

Would you like me to explain, or do you still have all the answers?

	11-03-2005 01:31									#222
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy

Where is the evidence! ANSWER ME!!!

	11-03-2005 01:33									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy

See... you can't even provide evidence of your God. And when someone confronts you with this fact, you hide behind a smiley.



For the record, I'm more agnostic than atheist. I don't believe one can effectively say "there is no god" any more than one can say, "there is a god".

But then again, one doesn't need to be an atheist to know that human religions are flawed and the product OF humans. That's why I laugh at Christians, Jews, and Muslims. They sit and pray to something that was fabricated over a thousand years ago.

My grandmother, who ironically was a devout Christian, told me, "you have a brain to use it, lose it, or abuse it."

I choose to use the brain that may or may not have been given to me by a God. By putting faith in unproven conjecture and mythology, Christians are not using their brains. And by rejecting science and other facts that disprove many parts of their religion, they are abusing their mind by believing in something that is obviously false.

	11-03-2005 01:36									#224
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Paganism
Atheism
Christianity

Religious beliefs of any sort

quote: people who like Elton John don't know Black Sabbath. The two are mutually exclusive.

Actually, I like both.

quote: Oh, and not forget about Asia, especially in places like China. BTW, that Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami opened up a BIG oppurtunity for us Christians over there. That's a good example of how God can make good things happen out of bad things.

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Profiting off the misery of a disaster? Reap a bounty of souls in the wake of a apocalypse.

MNG, you do not speak for my Christian God. Do not pretend to speak for all Christians.

	11-03-2005 01:38									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Where is the evidence! ANSWER ME!!!

I could probably dig out a photo of me on Glastonbury Tor on Midsummer's morning. Would you accept that as proof that I'm a pagan?

	11-03-2005 01:38									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy I can see that them Marxists have been drilling a lot of hogwash into your brain.

Marxism's got nothing to do with your 19th Century belliefs you try to pass off as Christianity.

quote: That one-liner is worthy being quoted in my sig, but just because I'm Mr. Nice Guy and a Christian I'm not gonna do it.

You think I'm afraid of you? I was Christian before you were born. I stopped being Xian for the same reason I stopped bing a pagan. It's all BS.

	11-03-2005 01:41									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Notice the lack of participants from a pagan perspective? We've got too much taste.

As an ex-pagan, I disrespectfully disagree. I've known too many pagans.

	11-03-2005 01:43									#228
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You think a pagan with taste would associate with you?

	11-03-2005 01:42									#229
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quote: My denomination (Southern Baptist), however, doesn't hold to this belief.

Oh, that explains why you don't speak for my God. You think my Church is filled with boy-touching papist cultists, don't you?

	11-03-2005 01:51									#230
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp OK. I'm a pagan. There's your proof. Would you like me to explain, or do you still have all the answers?

We're to infer you consider yourself a higher power?

	11-03-2005 01:56									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy What's wrong with paganism, as a whole? And "void" is fine if a) it's honest and b) it allows us to fill it with ourselves.

X-ty is honest as well, but honesty isn't good as it is, without anything else.
Fill the void with ourselves?
That's no good. Many humans are evil.

	11-03-2005 01:56									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist We're to infer you consider yourself a higher power?

Of course you are, but that's not the point.

I'm a pagan. I celebrate life and the forces of life as they manifest themselves about me. What is the part that requires proof? The fact that there is life manifesting itself about me, or the fact that I celebrate it?

I assumed it was the latter, because the former would be totally absurd.

	11-03-2005 01:56									#233
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oh, and most are egoists

	11-03-2005 02:00									#234
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Marxism's got nothing to do with your 19th Century belliefs you try to pass off as Christianity.

Marxism is 19th Century. The belief that Jesus will come back again is a 2,000-year-old phenomenon.

quote: You think I'm afraid of you?

Che, I've just about had it with your hateful remarks.

	11-03-2005 02:10									#235
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quote: Marxism is 19th Century. The belief that Jesus will come back again is a 2,000-year-old phenomenon.

Umm, that's even worse

quote: Actually, all three are void, but only one is honest with themselves.

Perhaps, though yes, I'll take the honesty of atheism/agnosicism over the delusions of religion any day .

Laz is right about the pagans, and I am certainly far more sympathetic to transcendental philosophies than I am to organised religions in the monotheistic mold. I'm a little concerned the consensus image of paganism is of sadists in the wood, sacrificing virgins between chanting Satanic incantations and downloading Cradle of Filth albums . Paganism as an "ism" is way more diverse and historical than anything that calls itself "Christian".

	11-03-2005 02:20									#236
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cradle of filth

and yes I'm a nature freak. I don't really worship nature, but I do feel a strong connection to it. I do have native american blood in me after all. but worshipping nature seems a bit silly. respecting it is not.

christianity is too biased towards humans.

	11-03-2005 02:36									#237
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Of course you are, but that's not the point. I'm a pagan. I celebrate life and the forces of life as they manifest themselves about me. What is the part that requires proof? The fact that there is life manifesting itself about me, or the fact that I celebrate it? I assumed it was the latter, because the former would be totally absurd.

How so? For all I know, you're just a spambot in a sterile lab.

Personally, I've always felt that the "celebrating life" brand of paganism to suffer from the same problem as LaVeyan Satanism; it combines all the bad points of a "normal" religion (big daddy God in the sky) religion with all the bad ones of atheism, without any of the good points of either. Tastes clearly differ.

	11-03-2005 02:48									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Sava See... you can't even provide evidence of your God. And when someone confronts you with this fact, you hide behind a smiley.

I'm pretty certain he's been told all of the evidence beforehand and has arrogantly refused to open his ears and listen; there's no sense in repeating it and there's no sense in drifting off-topic any further than this thread has already drifted.

And besides, not all atheists are arrogant. Some can lend some credibility to some of their claims.

	11-03-2005 02:55									#239
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quote: I'm pretty certain he's been told all of the evidence beforehand and has arrogantly refused to open his ears and listen; there's no sense in repeating it and there's no sense in drifting off-topic any further than this thread has already drifted.

I should think your pwnage is very much on topic . If God cannot be shown in rational terms, do you concur that efforts to do so are futile and that he does not exist, as we use the term?

quote: And besides, not all atheists are arrogant. Some can lend some credibility to some of their claims.

I generally find it's the theists that are arrogant and generally have this ability to close their ears as soon as they hear something that they don't want to hear regarding the existence of god or any of their beliefs. I, for one, am more than prepared to listen because I am secure in the strength of the atheist argument.

	11-03-2005 03:17									#240
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Marxism is 19th Century.

And it has nothing to do with your beliefs as a Dispensationalist.

quote: The belief that Jesus will come back again is a 2,000-year-old phenomenon.

But your brand of Christianity isn't that old. In the 19th Century, a Scottsman came up with a bunch of new ideas which aren't in the Bible, and yet you adhere to them. Dispensationalism isn't even 200 years old. It most certainly isn't true Chistianity.

quote: Che, I've just about had it with your hateful remarks.