11-03-2005 03:32									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy I'm pretty certain he's been told all of the evidence beforehand and has arrogantly refused to open his ears and listen; there's no sense in repeating it and there's no sense in drifting off-topic any further than this thread has already drifted. And besides, not all atheists are arrogant. Some can lend some credibility to some of their claims.

No actually most atheists I know are very kind, decent people. A lot more decent then christian fundamentalists as yourself. Atheists are very credible people with good ideas.

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Even the liberals Gian?

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Even the liberals Gian?

My boyfriend is a liberal. Hahahah. They are good in bed... j/k

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy I'm pretty certain he's been told all of the evidence

There's no evidence on your part that hasn't been completely refuted.

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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo My boyfriend is a liberal. Hahahah. They are good in bed... j/k

Well, who could argue with that?

On the other hand I would like to know what Agathon's been putting into the water supply of you and Asher...

	11-03-2005 03:38									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Well, who could argue with that?

Very fiesty... I think... actually my bf is more center-left... closer to the center.. but still.. we get along superb..

	11-03-2005 03:38									#247
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You can have arguments over politics, get all hot and bothered...

and then have bumpin' make-up-- ...er...

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed You can have arguments over politics, get all hot and bothered... and then have bumpin' make-up-- ...er...

We typically end up in a lip lock lol if we talk about it.. lol.. but lets not go any further. I'm just gonna say we are a good match.

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Remind me to hook you two up to our central heating system the next time the boiler fails

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara But your brand of Christianity isn't that old. In the 19th Century, a Scottsman came up with a bunch of new ideas which aren't in the Bible, and yet you adhere to them. Dispensationalism isn't even 200 years old. It most certainly isn't true Chistianity.

Look. Before the 19th century prophecy was not very well understood and scholars got it all wrong, mostly because back then almost all prophecies could not possibly be fulfilled without supernatural intervention. Today however, 99.9% of all prophecy can theoretically be fulfilled through technological means and about 85% of it has already been fulfilled this way.

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Laugh it up and you'll see yourself on my ignore list. Then you can just forget about having your little bit of fun debating with me.

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quote: Laugh it up and you'll see yourself on my ignore list. Then you can just forget about having your little bit of fun debating with me.

Classic example of:
"I don't like what he's saying so I'm going to ignore it."

Which reminds me of Arrested Development.
"There's a mental construct called denial..."

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Remind me to hook you two up to our central heating system the next time the boiler fails

You could throw out the central heating system.. we would heat the whole building.

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Mr Nice Guy, you must understand that you look utterly ridiculous...

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Mr Nice Guy, you must understand that you look utterly ridiculous...

You're speaking to someone who believes in the Bible literally... m'kay... I think your point will be lost to him.

	11-03-2005 07:17									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Generally speaking, any Christian that holds to orthodox (see bold-underlined text below) teachings is a true Christian. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=orthodox or·tho·dox Audio pronunciation of "orthodox" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôrth-dks) adj. 1. Adhering to the accepted or traditional and established faith, especially in religion. 2. Adhering to the Christian faith as expressed in the early Christian ecumenical creeds. 3. Orthodox 1. Of or relating to any of the churches or rites of the Eastern Orthodox Church. 2. Of or relating to Orthodox Judaism. 4. Adhering to what is commonly accepted, customary, or traditional: an orthodox view of world affairs. n. 1. One that is orthodox. 2. Orthodox A member of an Eastern Orthodox church.

Bad MNG. That's such a blatant fallacy.

	11-03-2005 07:22									#256
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One of those types who think the world is 6,000 years old...

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy The doctrine of JW's and Mormons is not true because it doesn't hold to the original Orthodox Christian teachings, but when it all comes down to it it's the individual that matters.

Better chuck out pagan inspired festivals then, if we're going to get back to 'original' Christianity. No more Christmas for you, no more Easter. No more nonsense about three wise men (who weren't kings, but astrologers, who we know are a class of men the Bible tells us are to be shunned and despised) and stables.




Which of the 57 varieties of 'original' Christianity would that be anyway ?

The Pauline Hellenized Judaic version, or the Jacobite Jewish leaning version ?


Would it be the Arian or Athanasian version ?


The 'organized' church or the Gnostic church ?


The arrogance of Christian sectaries, each of whom claims to have the 'true' or 'only' way never amazes me, because it we hear it so often now.

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quote: Today however, 99.9% of all prophecy can theoretically be fulfilled through technological means and about 85% of it has already been fulfilled this way.

Yes of course! All you need to raise a corpse that probably never existed is a microwave oven and the Blue Man Group

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Today however, 99.9% of all prophecy can theoretically be fulfilled through technological means and about 85% of it has already been fulfilled this way.

Except for the lunatical Revelations, which you so love, prophecies in other books are supposed to have been fulfilled centuries ago.

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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Before the 19th century prophecy was not very well understood and scholars got it all wrong, mostly because back then almost all prophecies could not possibly be fulfilled without supernatural intervention.

Everyone, I want you to see this here. MNG just admitted I was correct and that he is not a true Christian. Victory is mine!

quote: Laugh it up and you'll see yourself on my ignore list. Then you can just forget about having your little bit of fun debating with me.

I'm laughing at you because nothng I've said is hate-filled. You're just mad cuz I'm running rings around you factually.

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Atheism is actually on a rather strong rise in Canada. I have no idea as to the worldwide numbers, but I doubt it's declining in Western Europe or Japan either. The rest of the world had very little atheism to start with, other than the US. Since the US doesn't keep track of religious choices of its citizens it would probably be hard to quantify.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Except for the lunatical Revelations, which you so love, prophecies in other books are supposed to have been fulfilled centuries ago.

Most Biblical "prophecies" were fulfilled before the said "prophecies" were written, actually. Mighty convenient, eh?

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Atheism has never been very strong here, KH. We have been an exceptionally religious country since the Great Awakening in the early 19th Century. At best, there was a strong Deist following among the intelligencia of the founding generation.

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@ Canada

quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Most Biblical "prophecies" were fulfilled before the said "prophecies" were written, actually. Mighty convenient, eh?

Yup, it says here in How to Get Your Prophecies Right...

	11-03-2005 21:35									#265
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As a percentage of Canada's population 1991 first, 2001 second:

Christian of one form or another: 83.4 77.1
Jewish: 1.2 1.1
Muslim: 0.9 2.0
Buddhist: 0.6 1.0
Hindu: 0.6 0.9
Sikh: 0.5 0.9
No religious affiliation: 12.5 16.5

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If current trends continue in about 15 years there will be more atheists than protestants in canada, and atheists will be the second largest group (behind catholics)

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: people who like Elton John don't know Black Sabbath. The two are mutually exclusive. Actually, I like both.

I like neither.

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No religious affiliation doesn't necessarily mean atheist.

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I know. I was going for shock value.

Significant minorities of that group are probably atheist, agnostic and individually spiritual/hippy bums.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No religious affiliation doesn't necessarily mean atheist.

Having an religious affiliation doesn't necessarily mean not being an atheist either.

In Sweden, over 80% of the population are members of the Church of Sweden. A recent poll found that 16% of the population believes in a personal God.