17-03-2005 01:17									#91
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Believe me IW, there aren't enough hours in the day to get everything sorted that I need to...if I ever (heaven forbid) run out of tasks at work I'd quickly find more to do. To go running to my supervisor asking for work would look a bit silly at my relative level of seniority

	17-03-2005 01:25									#92
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PH it doesn't cost anything to go to the beach, take a hike, or walk in a park.

	17-03-2005 01:26									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison It makes me think what the hell I would do if I ever won a million pounds or more, I couldn't just do nothing with all that time...I suppose I would have to explore the Earth or something. But it just strikes me that it would remove all challenge and be remarkably boring.

hmmm well a million pounds would be nice but would likely not be enough for a lifetime if you planned to travel a lot ( and particularly if you gave some to family and friends)

We figured that a million now would be enough for mrs Flub to quit work or go even more part time but I would have to continue to work ( but wouldn't have to seek to be a top performer)-- Our firm allows people to choose a different level of expected performance if you accept a lower pay

	17-03-2005 01:26									#94
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quote: take a hike, or walk in a park

Or pass out drunk in a random doorway...

	17-03-2005 01:30									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Believe me IW, there aren't enough hours in the day to get everything sorted that I need to...if I ever (heaven forbid) run out of tasks at work I'd quickly find more to do. To go running to my supervisor asking for work would look a bit silly at my relative level of seniority

Then you're a slave to the system Get out before it breaks your spirit, comrade!

	17-03-2005 01:42									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber hmmm well a million pounds would be nice but would likely not be enough for a lifetime if you planned to travel a lot ( and particularly if you gave some to family and friends)

Not if you were to give any away, but to travel it would. Easily. If you start travelling at 25 or something, then even if you only travel until you're 80, you have something like Ģ18k a year. Ok, you wont be doing long-haul flights very often, but thats plenty to get by on if you're going to eschew materialism and capitalism (and probably reproduction) completely. Write a book of your travels or be a free-lance photographer to make up any deficit. Do some volunteer work in various places. Sounds like a good living to me.

	17-03-2005 01:45									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber hmmm well a million pounds would be nice but would likely not be enough for a lifetime if you planned to travel a lot ( and particularly if you gave some to family and friends) We figured that a million now would be enough for mrs Flub to quit work or go even more part time but I would have to continue to work ( but wouldn't have to seek to be a top performer)-- Our firm allows people to choose a different level of expected performance if you accept a lower pay

Pounds I said, not that Canadian or American crap

	17-03-2005 01:47									#98
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You'd have to split it over quite a few accounts to get a decent interest rate.

	17-03-2005 01:55									#99
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Setting goals is a good start but make sure the goals u set are obtainable, not ones that are unrealistic. I will say dont take a job that pays less then what you are recieving from unemployment. That woud be a watse of your time.

	17-03-2005 01:58									#100
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quote: I will say dont take a job that pays less then what you are recieving from unemployment. That woud be a watse of your time.

Unless it leads to your goal. Can't be the manager of McDonalds until you have mastered the art of deep frying potatos.

	17-03-2005 02:01									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Unless it leads to your goal. Can't be the manager of McDonalds until you have mastered the art of deep frying potatos.

Mcdonalds probably wouldn't take him into their management training given his somewhat scattered background--

Does anyone know what a Mcdonalds manager (top one in the store plus the next underling ) would make. A friend of mine was in their training program and indicated that decent coin was a vailable if you stuck with it. ( He actually flunked out and ended up in the military )

	17-03-2005 02:04									#102
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Flunked out of burger U gosh that has to suck. I dont know what a manger would make there.

	17-03-2005 02:05									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I will say dont take a job that pays less then what you are recieving from unemployment. That woud be a watse of your time.

I disagree. No job where you EARN your own way is a waste of time. I would agree that it doesn't make much financial sense in the short run but given his long unemployment, he's pretty much at the point where he needs to get into any job just to improve his chances at a decent job.


This type of example does show how unemployment/welfare benefits may be demotivating to some people. I'm betting if those benefits were cut, a job would be found post-haste

	17-03-2005 02:10									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Flunked out of burger U gosh that has to suck.

Ya there were 5 guys sharing an apartment . Four were in university and this guy was in Burger College. He took it so serious as well with his big binder that was so secret (plus he was a PIA when he had to go in on the early shift and wanted silence from like 8pm) . . When he flunked, he moved out pretty quick . . .

I could actually see how a manager at McD's has to know a lot of stuff . . . Apparently he was their type of candidate. He was told they look for high school graduates with middle-decent marks and no plans for university.

	17-03-2005 02:17									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I disagree. No job where you EARN your own way is a waste of time. I would agree that it doesn't make much financial sense in the short run but given his long unemployment, he's pretty much at the point where he needs to get into any job just to improve his chances at a decent job. This type of example does show how unemployment/welfare benefits may be demotivating to some people. I'm betting if those benefits were cut, a job would be found post-haste

you are right I admit that. I did it for a spell. Hell a few years back I was workin at a gs station down the street only cause I was bored and needed to get out of the house. I didnt know s*** about that business But I did it for 2 months and finally said the hell with this and went back to nursing.

	17-03-2005 03:05									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Flunked out of burger U gosh that has to suck. I dont know what a manger would make there.

I'd be surprised if it was over $8 or $9.

	17-03-2005 03:08									#107
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Who's getting fat and watching TV all day?

Damn, self pwnage (right?)

	17-03-2005 03:10									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber IMHO no child should EVER be told that a parent did not want kids

Well, no one actually told me. But it was pretty obvious...

	17-03-2005 03:13									#109
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Ok I missed something here whos parents didnt want a kid. I read this whole thread earlier and was up to speed but took a nap and lost it.

	17-03-2005 03:22									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison And as for the financial sector, well it is a bit of an ethical no-no for me, especially investment banking, although it depended on the degree of parasitism.

I'm not sure why you think it's parasitic. It's work that benefits society. In the case of investment banking it serves people who make investments, but it's still a valuable service.

	17-03-2005 03:25									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious I'm not sure why you think it's parasitic. It's work that benefits society. In the case of investment banking it serves people who make investments, but it's still a valuable service.

What does it contribute to society? What does it produce that adds to our planet? It's just an artifact of the system...

	17-03-2005 03:33									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison What does it contribute to society? What does it produce that adds to our planet? It's just an artifact of the system...

It's work that produces a valuable service. How is that different from a non financial sector service?

	17-03-2005 03:35									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious It's work that produces a valuable service. How is that different from a non financial sector service?

Methinks you're working in the financial sector trying to defend your existence. My work is vital for ensuring the safety of pharmaceutical products. Teaching, manufacturing, medicine, agriculture...they all add something to society, they increase the worth of society or produce necessities. Now how does exploiting the nature of the financial system contribute to society - it just increases it's volatility...

	17-03-2005 03:40									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Setting goals is a good start but make sure the goals u set are obtainable, not ones that are unrealistic. I will say dont take a job that pays less then what you are recieving from unemployment. That woud be a watse of your time.

Yeah, but at this point I think I will have to bite the sour apple. Any job would be nice, as long as Iīm getting paid. Hopefully this will be a stepping stone to a better job later. I talked to a friend who works at the post office, he works 40 hours a week and he makes as much money as I make just sitting on my ass.

	17-03-2005 03:44									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski Ok I missed something here whos parents didnt want a kid. I read this whole thread earlier and was up to speed but took a nap and lost it.

That would be me. And since my dad is such a spineless wimp, I also have three siblings... Way to go for a man that didnīt want kids

	17-03-2005 03:47									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Now how does exploiting the nature of the financial system contribute to society - it just increases it's volatility...

Exploiting in the sense that you are using it simply means to work for pay. Accountants for example do work for pay. They get paid because the service they provide is valuable to the people who pay them. In the same sense teaching exploits the education system because you are recieveing pay for your work. Exploitaion in this way is not parasitic.

As far as volatility is concerned I don't really know what you mean by that.

	17-03-2005 04:06									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X Thanks for all the kind words, guys. Especially you reds )

Glad you took in the spirit it was meant

	17-03-2005 04:09									#118
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I possess vast amounts of self distance

	17-03-2005 04:12									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X That would be me. And since my dad is such a spineless wimp, I also have three siblings... Way to go for a man that didnīt want kids

Ok im back up to speed for the moment. Dont go to hard on the ole man some just dont know how to be parents. I am gonna sit back and say nothing bout the banks talk going on I cant say anything bout that anyway. I just want to add if you take a job you feel is beneath you, just because you want a job, You will probably never be happy there.

	17-03-2005 04:20									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Exploiting in the sense that you are using it simply means to work for pay. Accountants for example do work for pay. They get paid because the service they provide is valuable to the people who pay them. In the same sense teaching exploits the education system because you are recieveing pay for your work. Exploitaion in this way is not parasitic.

Well I am not so much referring to accountants although the point still applies to a lesser extent. I am not referring to the individuals who work though, I am referring to the nature of the sector they work in. The teaching profession is not parasitic because it educates children, our future. The medical profession brings people back to health, and as well as this obvious benefit is a great boon to productivity.

The point is, what does the stockbroker or the investment banker bring to our society that is valuable? The sector is an artifact of the capitalist system, important for it to function (to an extent) but isn't a valuable occupation for society in itself. And as they seem to make wealth off of other peoples work by manipulation of numbers basically, it is parasitic.

As far as volatility is concerned I don't really know what you mean by that. [/QUOTE]

Volatile...look at the nature of the market, busts and booms and can be affected by the whim of a few...that is volatility.