17-03-2005 19:02									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker A buddy of mine back in Yorba Linda was clocked on the freeway by Highway Patrol doing 181 mph in a '67 or '68 Z-28 Camaro with a 302 racing motor with 11.5 or 12.5 pistons.

Um... wouldn't having 1/2 a piston massively damage an engine? I'm pretty sure it had a round number of pistons. I'm also fairly sure that it had an even number of them too (although You can make odd number pistons in an engine)

	17-03-2005 19:44									#62
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185 km/h according to my speedometer, but I can't know for sure because I topped it. It was 5am, in an empty 5km, slightly downnhill stretch of the Attiki Odos, the closed highway which connects Athens to the airport.

In that stretch of road, I frequently reach 150 km/h on my speedometer.

I drive a Toyota Corolla EE90, 1300cc. This car can't go faster than that.

	17-03-2005 19:51									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan damn...88mph. My SUV starts shaking like a mutha past 70. I've only driven SUV's so I've never gone higher. That, and I live on an island...there's really no "open" roads.

Serves you right for owning such a piece of sh*t...the tiniest European cars can go faster than that without batting an eyelid...

	17-03-2005 21:36									#64
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236 km/h (147 mi/h)on highway 13 in Quebec. And 278 km/h (174 mi/h) on a race track. Looking forward to hitting 300km/h someday.

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	17-03-2005 21:39									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal Um... wouldn't having 1/2 a piston massively damage an engine? I'm pretty sure it had a round number of pistons. I'm also fairly sure that it had an even number of them too (although You can make odd number pistons in an engine)

Dude......You cant be serious. The guy is talking about hemispheric endings on the pistons, not how many there were. Even so, do you know any Camaro with more than a V8?

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	17-03-2005 21:40									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Serves you right for owning such a piece of sh*t...the tiniest European cars can go faster than that without batting an eyelid...

A lot of European cars use diesel engines, which are crap.

So it balances out in the end.

	17-03-2005 21:44									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Dude......You cant be serious. The guy is talking about hemispheric endings on the pistons, not how many there were. Even so, do you know any Camaro with more than a V8? Spec.

No, I was serious. I'm not a gearhead. When he mentioned pistons, I figured he meant cylinders. Generally all I know about cars is that up push down on the gas pedal and it goes...

	17-03-2005 21:46									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Asher A lot of European cars use diesel engines, which are crap. So it balances out in the end.

How are diesel engines crap Asher. Is this opinion based on your large car knowledge?

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quote: Originally posted by Spec How are diesel engines crap Asher. Is this opinion based on your large car knowledge? Spec.

Their pollution is far more harmful than gasoline pollution.

I always get a kick out of it when Euros blast SUV drivers for their poor mileage, when they drive Diesel-powered Golfs that generate pollution far more harmful to humans and the environment.

	17-03-2005 22:01									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well over here you have an MOT every year for a car over 3 years old...they check all the important bits of the car: brakes, tyres, etc...and then they test emissions...my car had it's MOT done last week, no problems apart from a dead headlamp bulb...not too expensive fortunately

Here in Denmark that would lead to your car getting resummoned, to check that you had fixed the bulb. For this you would have to pay a fee of app. 20 GBP.

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Asher, putting aside that diesel engines pollute more right now (But not for long hopfully http://www.californialung.org/spotlight/diesel_faq.html ) they are very reliable engines with lots of torque. Add a turbine and your have your self a very reliable and sporty car with low fuel consumption. Green diesel engines, if they ever get here should out-run any gas engine in any way. It's only lack is that it cant get to high rpms which is where cars usually gets the more hp.

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	17-03-2005 22:03									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Their pollution is far more harmful than gasoline pollution. I always get a kick out of it when Euros blast SUV drivers for their poor mileage, when they drive Diesel-powered Golfs that generate pollution far more harmful to humans and the environment.

Diesel that euros use is much cleaner than NA diesel. They have different sources for it.

At least that's what I remember reading in some Sci Am article a few years ago.

	17-03-2005 22:05									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Spec 236 km/h (147 mi/h)on highway 13 in Quebec

Where on the 13?

	17-03-2005 22:27									#74
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About 105 MPH on I-15 from Barstow to Las Vegas. In my 1988 Mazda 323.

Also drove the Virgin River Gorge in Arizona on U-15 going around 90. You have to have driven the gorge to truly understand.


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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Diesel that euros use is much cleaner than NA diesel. They have different sources for it. At least that's what I remember reading in some Sci Am article a few years ago.

I still believe it's a much higher pollution rate, there's 100 times more particle pollution alone in Diesel than Gasoline in North America.

Diesel is a heavier, thicker substance that goes under substantially less refining. It contains far more hazardous substances accordlingly.

I don't see why the diesel used in EU would be substantially better than those in the US.

As it stands right now, the average diesel car hurts the environment and is more harmful to people than gasoline. People are just misled when they see diesel cars get higher mpg, and assume that means they're more friendly to the environment.

	17-03-2005 23:17									#76
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Depends on the conversion process Asher - a really modern diesel (<18 months) converts a lot, lot better than the older diesels.

Plus, in theory, a more dense fuel contains more energy to be liberated.

I have to agree with you that most diesels are horrible polluters - but some of the more recent ones are pretty good.

	18-03-2005 00:28									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Serves you right for owning such a piece of sh*t...the tiniest European cars can go faster than that without batting an eyelid...

Ahhh, but unlike the majority of SUV owners, I actually go off-road with mine. That, and I can't really afford anything else right now.

	18-03-2005 00:39									#78
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plus, you can run many diesel engines on vegetable oil.

	18-03-2005 00:48									#79
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180 km/h on a Toyota Corolla -88. It was an experience I really don't want to go through again .

	18-03-2005 02:00									#80
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quote: did your buddy of yours end up in jail with his license revoked and his car impounded?

This was back when the laws weren't so strict, I think he got hit with like a $250 ticket. When drunk driving laws became much more punitive other laws followed suit based on the same ratianale - reckless endangerment. He did this back in the 70's when you could get a slap on the wrist for being whacko

quote: Um... wouldn't having 1/2 a piston massively damage an engine? I'm pretty sure it had a round number of pistons. I'm also fairly sure that it had an even number of them too (although You can make odd number pistons in an engine)

Sorry, I should have made that more clear. I was talking about compression. Pistons have a certain compression rating based on how much of the combustion chamber they displace. Most cars are around 8-9 compression, when you get up to 11-12 you're talking racing compression.

For example, if the piston is at its lowest point in the cylinder you will have "X" amount of empty space. Turn the crank until the piston is at its highest point and you will have less than "X" space. The ratio of space with the piston at these two points forms a ratio - 12:1 is very high meaning the piston is taking up more of the empty space as it rises in the cylinder. You can remove a spark plug and shine a light into the combustion chamber to get an idea of the compression rating. A 12.5 piston has a big visible dome on the piston whereas typical pistons are ~flat.

The problem with high compression pistons is you can ruin the valves if the timing chain jumps cuz the domed pistons will start hitting the valves. Manufacturers try to avoid that problem by making sure the valves cant hit the pistons even if the timing of the camshaft(s) and crank is disrupted. That means lower compression pistons...

quote: Dude......You cant be serious. The guy is talking about hemispheric endings on the pistons, not how many there were. Even so, do you know any Camaro with more than a V8?

My buddies back in the auto dept at Fullerton JC were all nuts over the Z-28 302. They loved the high RPMs and had the cams and gearing set up for hauling a$$. They'd just rebuild 302's and drop 'em into anything. One guy put a 350 into a Corvair (mid-engine) and spent hours building the frame up cuz the motor kept warping it. Twas a waste of time, the car spent more time in the garage getting more metal welded onto the frame than on the road.

I had a 70 Bel Air with a 350 (piece of junk) with maybe 400 pounds of engine and tranny parts in the trunk. We'd all pile in and go 4 wheeling in the hills around Orange County. It was 2 wheel drive but I could climb hills with the best of them. The rear end would bob up and down because of the weight and we'd go right up hills many 4 wheelers couldn't handle. Those were the days

	18-03-2005 02:23									#81
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Diesel that euros use is much cleaner than NA diesel. They have different sources for it. At least that's what I remember reading in some Sci Am article a few years ago.

it has to do with the sulfer content of diesal I believe. We have too much of it here in the U.S.

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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski About 105 MPH on I-15 from Barstow to Las Vegas. In my 1988 Mazda 323. Also drove the Virgin River Gorge in Arizona on U-15 going around 90. You have to have driven the gorge to truly understand. ACK!

yes I've driven it.

I don't even like going 65 mph in my pickup (but it has a high center of gravity). I still can't see doing over 80, even in a car.

	18-03-2005 02:31									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy I have to agree with you that most diesels are horrible polluters - but some of the more recent ones are pretty good.

Even the new super clean diesels won't pass smog regulations in California. 2004 was the last year you could buy a new TDI diesel for a passenger car though trucks can still get diesels since they have easier smog regs.

	18-03-2005 02:37									#84
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Where on the 13?

Right after the bridge after Montreal I stepped on it. Crossed laval in less than 3 min.

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	18-03-2005 02:41									#85
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quote: did your buddy of yours end up in jail with his license revoked and his car impounded?

I did it in a payment motorway (AP-4 Cadiz-Seville) Police never appears over there. So, the toll costs 6 € but at least you have permission to die.

	18-03-2005 02:43									#86
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do cops patrol toll roads in socal?

	18-03-2005 03:37									#87
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what are toll roads?