17-03-2005 23:53									#151
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The problem is American schools aren't designed for educating students. They're designed to prepare students for work. Thus, a lot of what public schools are about are preparing students to deal with routine work and boredom. They definately do not want to teach students to think critically.

There was a big push in our schools to learn critical thinking. I think this is some of the most valuable education I have ever receieved.

	17-03-2005 23:56									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Ever been to Duluth?

I ment the coast of an ocean, you dingbat, not Lake Superior.

	17-03-2005 23:57									#153
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I've always thought (And have witnessed) that the reasoning that they are dumb is because they don't care.

Look at the pop culture today. Tell me if you see any form of academics in it, any thrive of willing to learn. Nope.

Plus, most teenagers would rather have fun then do good in school. I was different, luckily. It's too bad that kids just don't care about any form of education now. The fact that those who are smart, rarely try their best (I admit, I'm guilty of this) doesn't help either.

	18-03-2005 00:00									#154
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quote: I ment the coast of an ocean, you dingbat, not Lake Superior.

PWNED!

	18-03-2005 14:16									#155
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quote: Originally posted by dannubis but i do think they're rather ignorant of the rest of the world. like it or not but the media in the US are far more restricted (politically controlled) than ours. not that the situation with us is that much better, but at least we are exposed to critisism once in a while...

Ignorant, yes, that's true to a large degree.

However, I take issue with your blanket statement regarding U.S. media — political control, here?! Whatever. It doesn't take much work to find a variety of viewpoints WRT issues in the U.S. media. Don't let Talk Radio and Pundit Television lull you into the belief that the media — of which I'm a part of — is controlled by Washington, D.C., or any of the nation's statehouses.

Trust me when I say my colleagues and I have been called everything under the sun when it comes to our alleged political biases — one day we're left-wingers, the next, right-wingers. On some days we're progressives, and on others, anarchists. Our readers don't seem to be of one mind when it comes to classifying us, and that's a good thing. It means we're doing our job.

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P.S. A small case can be made for too much corporate influence on the U.S. media, but even that typically doesn't get by without an outcry of some sort when a corporation steps beyond a certain point. Sinclair Media come to mind?

	18-03-2005 14:52									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I sometimes think a solution to the education crisis in the US and UK is the reinstatement of corporal punishment and much stronger parenting.

I went to a grammar school in the early Seventies, and they still had corporal punishment.

Of all the schools in the city where I lived, my school had the longest working day, earliest start, and the curriculum with the widest spread of subjects, as well as the best equipped science labs (thanks to contacts with Warwick University).


Despite all this, children were still being caned or slippered, and it was invariably the same ones.

If it's unlawful to physically assault adults, how much more wrong is it to assault minors in the care of adults unrelated to them ?

	22-03-2005 00:35									#157
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As I see it most American kids are desendants of Europeian blood so it probly runs in the genes.

Im Irish so it donot count.

	22-03-2005 01:57									#158
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American kids are dumb because of the disassociation of families, or at least the semblence of families.

Education through HS is really just regurgitation, something American kids are taught to do from age 0. None of the kids are actually encouraged to find something they like and get involved, that is what families are suppose to do.

Without purpose ppl are usually left doing, and learning, nothing...

	22-03-2005 03:45									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I think this claim was already shot down wrt. the PISA study - the study is performed on 14-15 year olds, and in most countries including Finland (who pwned the test may I add) all children of age 15 are still in the same comprehensive school, where there is no separation based on academic performance. (I wish there were, though.) The incompatibility doesn't begin until about age 16, when most European students split ways to more academically oriented schools that prepare for higher education on the university level, and vocational schools where more 'mundane' professions are learned. AFAIK an American can drop out from high school at this stage, but high school and only highs chool is the only viable option to continue education at that point.

I'm not familiar with the PITA study, and I thought that the seperation of academic and vocational curricula began at about age 14 in the UK and Germany.

	22-03-2005 04:16									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I'm not familiar with the PITA study, and I thought that the seperation of academic and vocational curricula began at about age 14 in the UK and Germany.

DUnno for the UK, but separation begins very soon in Germany indeed (even before 14 I think). And Germany has scored very poorly on the PISA study. The poor scores (even below the US IIRC) absolutely baffled the Germans, who obsessed about it for months.

	22-03-2005 19:14									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Docfeelgood As I see it most American kids are desendants of Europeian blood so it probly runs in the genes. Im Irish so it donot count.

Last I heard, Ireland was part of Europe.

	22-03-2005 19:48									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Japher American kids are dumb because of the disassociation of families, or at least the semblence of families. Education through HS is really just regurgitation, something American kids are taught to do from age 0. None of the kids are actually encouraged to find something they like and get involved, that is what families are suppose to do. Without purpose ppl are usually left doing, and learning, nothing...

Yep, a lot of learning occurs OUTSIDE of the classroom, and it's hard to learn anything when Mom and Dad both have to work 12 hours a day, or when there is no Mom or Dad, so the kid is stuck in front of the TV all day.