24-03-2005 05:48									#481
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quote: It's a stupid move that isn't going to work. What claim does he have?

Letting Terri be a ward of the state, until her wishes can be ascertained?

	24-03-2005 05:48									#482
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Here you are Mrs. Tubes and Ben:

http://californian.com/articles/200...9_413_11_05.txt

quote: Other such offers, including one for $10 million, had already been made and rejected by Michael Schiavo, said his attorney, George Felos.

	24-03-2005 05:49									#483
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Hmmm... I guess it's been shown again that those wanting to reinsert the feeding tube have no idea of the facts here.

no imran I have clues of the facts. I have simply stated my opinion on why this woman should be starved to death and why the govt got involved

	24-03-2005 05:49									#484
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quote: I guess it's been shown again that those wanting to reinsert the feeding tube have no idea of the facts here.

I've heard differences in opinions on quite a few things.

I've heard Michael say that Terri is responsible for her own condition, so it seems to me there's going to be disagreement on just about every fact of the case.

	24-03-2005 05:49									#485
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give me 10 million - I'll pull the tube out, put it back it, whatever you want...

	24-03-2005 05:50									#486
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi He was offered 1 mill not 10 mill get your numbers straight

The 10 million was also discussed in the article. Read it fully next time.

Considering you've shown little grasp of the facts in this matter so far, your [erroneous] admonition to me is pretty lame.

	24-03-2005 05:50									#487
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Here you are Mrs. Tubes and Ben: http://californian.com/articles/200...9_413_11_05.txt quote: Other such offers, including one for $10 million, had already been made and rejected by Michael Schiavo, said his attorney, George Felos.

said his attorney no proof there

	24-03-2005 05:51									#488
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quote: Other such offers, including one for $10 million, had already been made and rejected by Michael Schiavo, said his attorney, George Felos.

No names here...

	24-03-2005 05:52									#489
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Letting Terri be a ward of the state, until her wishes can be ascertained?

Which would be done...how? What a ludicrous suggestion.

Her husband has the all the legal rights needed to make the decision. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the state to step in.

	24-03-2005 05:52									#490
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi until her wishes can be ascertained?

how do you suppose that's going to happen beyond what's already on the table?

	24-03-2005 05:52									#491
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Nothing proven there but what his attorney said and nobody can prove the attorney is lying unless the 10 mil guy comes out nd says he did that.

	24-03-2005 05:53									#492
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The only public offer has been 1 million.

I suggest you should refrain from insulting me, and discussing the issue at hand.

Perhaps I am ignorant, but then please be patient with me.

	24-03-2005 05:54									#493
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi No names here...

If the potential donor doesn't want his name released, they can't go around saying it, now can they?

But it doesn't matter, since we do have the $1 million offer, and that's all the proof needed that Schiavo was offered substantially more money than he has to hand over his rights. Yet he refused. Maybe he just wants to see his wife's wishes carried out, eh?

	24-03-2005 05:55									#494
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi It's still a conflict of interest for him to be her guardian. What do her parents stand to gain from taking care of Terri?

Ben, I am somewhat dissappointed in you. This is the worst argument I think I have ever seen you make on any subject in any thread. And there have been like thousands and thousands of them.

	24-03-2005 05:56									#495
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quote: Which would be done...how? What a ludicrous suggestion. Her husband has the all the legal rights needed to make the decision. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the state to step in.

Sure there is.

There is reasonable doubt that Michael Schiavo is acting in the best interests of Terri Schiavo as her guardian.

This coupled, with the fact that Michael is trying to kill Terri, gives them the right to intervene.

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Please give me a break the word said he was oferd 10 mil and turned it down the lawyer and him are the only ones that know this how does anyone not know this isnt a lie

	24-03-2005 05:57									#497
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi The only public offer has been 1 million.

Are you the only side then allowed to cite hearsay as evidence?

quote: I suggest you should refrain from insulting me, and discussing the issue at hand.

I fail to see where an insult was given when I only called you on your trying to correct people when you yourself are the one frequently in error.

quote: Perhaps I am ignorant, but then please be patient with me.

I'd have a lot more patience if you would read linked articles in their entirety before posting, okay? We've trudged over this ground time and time again, so it is frustrating to have to hash it out again with the ignorant.

	24-03-2005 05:58									#498
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski said his attorney no proof there

God, I'm going to be happy when this woman dies. Then all the pro-Terry people who are living in la la land, thinking everyone that is opposed to them is lying and everyone sharing their views are telling the God's honest truth, will disperse.

	24-03-2005 05:59									#499
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quote: But it doesn't matter, since we do have the $1 million offer, and that's all the proof needed that Schiavo was offered substantially more money than he has to hand over his rights. Yet he refused. Maybe he just wants to see his wife's wishes carried out, eh?

Missing the other side.

What's in the settlement, that he stands to earn from Terri's death?

quote: Ben, I am somewhat dissappointed in you. This is the worst argument I think I have ever seen you make on any subject in any thread. And there have been like thousands and thousands of them.

Perhaps, but the point stands. Her parents have no other motive than to love their daughter and to care for her at their own cost.

	24-03-2005 06:00									#500
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Sure there is. There is reasonable doubt that Michael Schiavo is acting in the best interests of Terri Schiavo as her guardian.

Your definition of "reasonable doubt" is quite, quite dubious. I don't find a hearsay claim from a nurse that's 15 years old "reasonable," especially when the other motives (like greed) have been laid to rest.

Regardless, if such reasonable doubts existed, they would have been dealt with in court. The courts have all sided with Schiavo. Case closed. The executive branch certainly has NO authority to step in here.

	24-03-2005 06:01									#501
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quote: Perhaps, but the point stands. Her parents have no other motive than to love their daughter and to care for her at their own cost.

What? You are the one saying that when Terry dies, Michael is going to get some huge payday (which you have shown no proof, not even a statement)... if the parents become guardian, guess who gets that (potential) money? That's right... the parents!

If there is money involved in a life insurance which is great, then I think the parents may be after that.

	24-03-2005 06:01									#502
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Imran, that's why I'm asking, if Terri's parents have another ulterior motive, than by all means, bring it up.

	24-03-2005 06:02									#503
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quote: The courts have all sided with Schiavo. Case closed. The executive branch certainly has NO authority to step in here.

Yep... or the legislative branch. States' Rights be damned, right? At least the Supreme Court realized when it continually turned the case down for review.

	24-03-2005 06:02									#504
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Missing the other side. What's in the settlement, that he stands to earn from Terri's death?

Nothing. The settlement was $750,000, and all but >$50,000 is gone, having been used up already for her treatment costs and legal fees.

So tell me, which is bigger:

$1,000,000 or $50,000?

	24-03-2005 06:03									#505
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If you read on you would see that ten million was offered by someone else.

quote: Other such offers, including one for $10 million, had already been made and rejected by Michael Schiavo, said his attorney, George Felos.

Edit: jeeze I'm always late...

	24-03-2005 06:03									#506
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Got to go.

Still, I think the facts will vindicate us when all is said and done.

Why deny visitation rights to her parents?

	24-03-2005 06:05									#507
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Imran, that's why I'm asking, if Terri's parents have another ulterior motive, than by all means, bring it up.

If there is a monetary gain for Michael, then there is a monetary gain for the parents if they gain custody. But no one has shown me a monetary gain for Michael if Terry dies.

What, do you think Michael has a million dollar life insurance policy on Terry? If so, I've heard nothing of it.

	24-03-2005 06:05									#508
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Why not remove the feeding tube and let god decide if she lives or die... what you don't have faith in God's Decision making?

	24-03-2005 06:06									#509
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Imran, that's why I'm asking, if Terri's parents have another ulterior motive, than by all means, bring it up.

Can't have it both ways, BK. If there even was a huge inheritance to be had, then the parents would be in line for it were she to be put in their custody. So if you're going to claim Schiavo's motive is greed based on this fantasy inheritance, the same claim could be applied to the parents.

I don't think either party is acting out of greed, malice, or any such thing. I understand the Schindler's perspective, although I think they are gravely misguided. And I think Michael Schiavo is genuinely doing what he thinks the wife he loved wanted.

Too bad people have to resort to smearing the intentions of the other side to make their cases.

	24-03-2005 06:07									#510
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Remember she doesnt feel or care why does the husband. At this point she doesnt know her wishes anymore. But that doesnt make her a sack of potatoes either