27-03-2005 03:18									#61
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the history of Britain is only interesting because it was an empire (which it could have done under a dictator I'm sure). It owned so much of the known world. The sun never set on the British empire. etc. etc.

not to mention it's participation in most of the major wars and world wars in history.

	27-03-2005 03:22									#62
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But Britain has only seen two forms of government since 1066, a monarchy and a republic, and really, who knows any events that happened post-ECW and Charless II's coronation?

Those empires also probably wouldn't have started without a monarchy either. The Rise of Britain post-Tudors was all about monarchy (Spanish Armada, American Revolution, etc.).

	27-03-2005 03:24									#63
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we need the royals, what else would fill the tabloids

	27-03-2005 03:25									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa we need the royals, what else would fill the tabloids

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Paris Hilton?

I'm sure you guys could come up with your version of Paris Hilton.

	27-03-2005 03:27									#65
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But Paris Hilton isn't good enough. She's boring.

A pot shot at the Royals is historically a fun thing to do.

	27-03-2005 03:29									#66
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well I admit they are fun to make fun of. Still seems like a waste of resources. They should find ways to make their own money. But I guess I can't complain, I'm not paying taxes there.

	27-03-2005 03:32									#67
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You'd have to pay whatever punters you replaced them with, and you'd have the added expense of running elections.

Additionally, the elected ***** could get ideas of actually having and using some power. Our parliaments may have some things that could be better, but grid-lock is not a condition we suffer from.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident ] Paris Hilton? I'm sure you guys could come up with your version of Paris Hilton.

Oh come on. The royals are much better, they always try to pretend they have to show dignity and honor and such.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither You'd have to pay whatever punters you replaced them with, and you'd have the added expense of running elections. Additionally, the elected ***** could get ideas of actually having and using some power. Our parliaments may have some things that could be better, but grid-lock is not a condition we suffer from.

gridlock

	27-03-2005 04:38									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Oh come on. The royals are much better, they always try to pretend they have to show dignity and honor and such.

You never seen It's a Royal Knockout!?

	27-03-2005 04:44									#71
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither and you'd have the added expense of running elections.

Hey, maybe the US President could say that his latest budget cutting plan is to abolish elections. No money wasted on holding them, no millions of dollars wasted on campaigns, no dividing the nation, and no problems with voter irregularities.

I do agree with the point you make though, so long as the Head of State has no real power.

	27-03-2005 04:52									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident and who exactly pays the royal family expenses?

Mostly themselves, partly taxes. Which as mentioned, come back and then some in tourism, and much of their expenditure is for the upkeep of royal palaces, that would be kept by the state anyway.

Argue against them on grounds of political systems by all means, but the economics is generally in their favour. Not that a few million mean much to a government when the fundamental system it's run by is the other part of the argument.

	27-03-2005 04:56									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Tourism Revenue? I went to Britain to see the history there, to see the culture, to see the great museums. I didn't go there to see some Monarch, and I didn't have any interest in doing so. I really doubt anybody goes to Britain because of the Monarchy.

There is a correlation between increases in tourism to Britain and royal weddings. The Queen's Jubilee in 2002 also saw a marked increase in the level of tourism that year.

	27-03-2005 05:01									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin You never seen It's a Royal Knockout!?

n-o-

	27-03-2005 13:53									#75
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isn't this guy a little old to be a prince?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europ...ital/index.html

	27-03-2005 17:42									#76
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There is no King of Monaco. The formal name of the head of State is Prince, AFAIK.

	27-03-2005 18:18									#77
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His Serene Highness Rainier III, Prince of Monaco, Duc de Valentinois, Marquis des Baux, Comte de Carlades, Baron de Buis, Seigneur de Saint-Rémy, Sire de Matignon, Comte de Thorigny, Baron de Saint-Lô, de la Luthumière et de Hambye, Duc d'Estouteville, de Mazarin et de Mayenne, Prince de Château-Porcien, Comte de Ferrette, de Belfort, de Thann et de Rosemont, Baron d'Altkirch, Seigneur d'Isenheim, Marquis de Chilly, Comte de Longjumeau, Baron de Massy, Marquis de Guiscard.

He was also married to Grace Kelly (I had to look that up because I had the name Gene Kelly in my head, and I knew that wasn't right). Edit - And Diss's link tells us that anyway.

	27-03-2005 18:37									#78
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What's funny is that all his titles (except his principality over Monaco) are now completely irrelevant, thanks to the fact France is a republic

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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin There is a correlation between increases in tourism to Britain and royal weddings. The Queen's Jubilee in 2002 also saw a marked increase in the level of tourism that year.

Well, one could argue that when the money now spent on the royals could be spent somewhere else, which in turn would get an equal revenue to what it does now, with the added bonus of not having royals.

	28-03-2005 00:36									#80
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And others might argue that without the royals many people might chose to spend tourist dollars somewhere else entirely resulting in a dead loss to the British tourism industry, and that not having the royals would not be a bonus.

	28-03-2005 00:47									#81
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The things others might argue hey..

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither And others might argue that without the royals many people might chose to spend tourist dollars somewhere else entirely resulting in a dead loss to the British tourism industry, and that not having the royals would not be a bonus.

Why do you care? Canada doesn't get the tourist money...

	28-03-2005 00:54									#83
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Must stay. Not tradition but tourism : )

	28-03-2005 01:04									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Why do you care? Canada doesn't get the tourist money...

I would say Canada probably has more involved than Belguim, or say, the United States.

	28-03-2005 01:06									#85
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Point?

	28-03-2005 01:09									#86
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I bet if we kept the queen in a cage more tourists would want to see her.

	28-03-2005 07:04									#87
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Haven't they tried that before?

	28-03-2005 15:24									#88
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I wonder if this thread would exist if Princess Di was still alive...

	28-03-2005 15:30									#89
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??

She was silly too. I hated the royal family even worse back then because she garnered so much news attention for what reason? Some crusade against landmines? Like she had the power for countries to neglect national security. And she wasn't very hot either. Maybe if she grew her hair long...

	28-03-2005 15:30									#90
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I don't see why that would make a difference