26-03-2005 11:18									#61
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And allied attacks have become much more common. For the first part of the game, I didn't even make an effort to contact anybody.

	26-03-2005 12:31									#62
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So... have Overlords who lost their homebases but have conquered bases also have lost stockpiled items now? I just can't keep it in my mind...

	26-03-2005 12:34									#63
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No, you only lose stockpiles if you end a turn with no bases.

	26-03-2005 12:35									#64
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Thanks!

	26-03-2005 12:41									#65
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Orders sent.


I have no shield. If someone were to attack me in an alliance, I would be eliminated this upcoming round.

	26-03-2005 13:39									#66
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Sent.

	26-03-2005 16:16									#67
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On a distant planet, in a distant system, a computer long forgotten sends out a detailed message to the Grand Games Master...

Several hours pass... they become days... then weeks...

Finally a Systems Administrator passing by notices that the Danz Corp Bondi Beach Super Computer is busy chirping away.

"Ahhh you still active, well I can fix that matey." and with that the Systems Administrator pulls the plug from the wall.

Standing there he watches as all power seeps from the machine, then he turns, drinks some more of his beer and continues down the long hall...

	26-03-2005 18:14									#68
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Pah, the hyenas always gang up together to become brave enough to fight the lion

This lion has had none of its claws drawn, only its lair stolen. Beware.

The Imperial Fleet has recieved its orders.

-Jam

	26-03-2005 18:32									#69
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Loyal Senator Danq is pleased to see the capital of the Empire Coruscant under the jurisdiction of the Emperor again.


Long live Emperor Basileus!!!!
Long live the Galactic Empire!!!!!

	26-03-2005 18:39									#70
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Since the home systems didn't put up any resistance the customary rounds of executions and pillaging have been reduced by 50%

	26-03-2005 22:59									#71
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It appears Mr. Naviwinat is the rebel now.

	26-03-2005 23:18									#72
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Well, since I'm in control of the Imperial Capitol and a decent fleet, I hardly think that my claims to rule the galaxy are at all undermined by losing the New Constantinople system (and all of my shipyards, but hey)

-Jam

	26-03-2005 23:23									#73
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But you cost us the first really cool battle of the game by not being home !!!

	26-03-2005 23:23									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Orders sent. I have no shield. If someone were to attack me in an alliance, I would be eliminated this upcoming round.

Only if you don't attack someone else successfully.

	26-03-2005 23:30									#75
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However, you will not be able to have any Self-Built bases come into effect until Year 10, assuming you survive that long. You may have seized Coruscant, but you have not seized taken Dantooine!

	26-03-2005 23:36									#76
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Only if you don't attack someone else successfully.

I won't. But please don't attack me. My five bases aren't worth it.

	26-03-2005 23:37									#77
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I would never harm you, Jaguar.

	27-03-2005 00:03									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I have no shield.

What special have you constructed then last round? A spy?

	27-03-2005 00:50									#79
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 But you cost us the first really cool battle of the game by not being home !!!

Its not cool if 3 people attack me together. I mean its only cool when I win

-Jam

	27-03-2005 01:46									#80
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Use an ambush feature...

	27-03-2005 03:41									#81
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Or allow a Defend order ... could have been me+jonny+lordnuke against yourself and anyone you could bribe to defend you

In fact, get UnOrthOdOx to join in ... he's big on that mercenary team in the DGs after all - he could start the Mercenary GO team, who defends or attacks anyone you pay him to defend or attack

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Orders Sent.

* Sparrowhawk

	27-03-2005 04:24									#83
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Or allow a Defend order ... could have been me+jonny+lordnuke against yourself and anyone you could bribe to defend you In fact, get UnOrthOdOx to join in ... he's big on that mercenary team in the DGs after all - he could start the Mercenary GO team, who defends or attacks anyone you pay him to defend or attack

You know no one would use the defend order ever. Why defend today's ally when they will be tomorrow's enemy? What would you gain by leaving your own home bases certainly undefended or less well defended in order to protect against a potential threat to another when you could be building shields or expanding your empire? I'm harsh perhaps but realistic. At some point you have to defeat even your closest allies. The game ain't called Galactic Overlords, y'know

The only way a defend order can be viable is if there was some game benefit from having an ally, not just a strategic benefit. For example some kind of trade system.

-Jam

	27-03-2005 04:26									#84
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Well... an ally could ask for a base or something in return of helping you defend... or perhaps make shields and spies available for trading as well?

	27-03-2005 04:36									#85
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So I could defend you, risk losing my own bases, miss a turn of attacking and get a SHIELD that I could have built myself that turn?

You might not even get attacked.

-Jam

	27-03-2005 04:38									#86
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That is assuming that sending ships over for defensive issues still allows the construction of a special. And an opposing ally would never know for sure which one to attack.

All they could do was or ping or sent a spy to both allied partners to have one *splash* and one (possible) obstruction of a special production.

	27-03-2005 04:51									#87
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No, i'd not allow construction of a special alongside a defend order.

Jamski, in this size of game, we have longer term alliances than you've seen in years past. Also, you have the issue that it's generally safer - at least this round- to have your fleet elsewhere. Why not defend someone in exchange for a few bases? Particularly if there's an obvious target, such as a single base leader (say, myself last round) who can afford to give up the bases.

Anyway, do you have some other suggestion to preventing the offensive super-advantage shown in this game, and the lack of actual battles? Tactics have been nearly meaningless in this game - perhaps the most meaningful tactics so far was my choice of LML versus MLL - which was nearly random - and that's not saying much at all.

I just don't think this game is necessarily all that fun if there's no real combat in it. Perhaps you're right that nobody would use it, perhaps not - but is there a better alternative?

	27-03-2005 05:07									#88
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Hmm.

How about a duel? Two allied fleets agree to meet each other in a third location and fight to the death. The winner takes the bases of the other side, the loser is destroyed. The only problem is that any sane person would just leave the other duelling party alone at the third location and rush to take the bases. Or maybe in that case it could be treated as a standard baseswap instead.

	27-03-2005 05:50									#89
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Well, the ambush proposal forced a bit more equal combat in the initial stage of an allied assault.

	27-03-2005 06:34									#90
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Why would the duel be chosen by anyone? Unless we were down to 4 players or something ...