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TCO
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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:28
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Originally posted by Ned
I found this in today NYTimes:
"In 1998, when Mr. Schiavo asked a court's permission to remove his wife's feeding tube, the Schindlers challenged, leading to a trial. That is when Michael and Scott Schiavo and their sister in-law Joan Schiavo testified that Ms. Schiavo had told them never to prolong her life artificially.
Scott Schiavo testified that after his grandmother was on life support at the end of her life, Ms. Schiavo had told him: "If I ever go like that, just let me go. Don't leave me there."
Judge George Greer of Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court found the testimony constituted "clear and convincing" evidence of Ms. Schiavo's wishes, and her feeding tube was removed in April 2001. It was reconnected days later, after a former girlfriend of Mr. Schiavo called a radio station to say he had told her he had no idea whether his wife would have wanted life-prolonging measures."
"That led to new testimony, but it did not change Judge Greer's mind, partly because the girlfriend recanted."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/n...ted=3&th&emc=th
The three withness who testified were all Schiavo family members. Their testimony was contradicted by a girlfriend who later recanted. However, there are other witnesses who were present when Schiavo made the statement to the former girlfriend who support the original statement of the girlfriend. |
Personally remarks by Terri in casual conversation one way OR ANOTHER should not be acted upon in terms of plug-pulling. We are getting way too frisky and eager to pull that stuff. I dated an ICU nurse and she was all over plug pulling. Lacking a living will, leave it in. This Medical Power of Attorney (in essense a living will in that you give power to make this decision to someone else...I just would want to know that Terri understood that she was giving this up...that it was not just some paragraph in a big long POA) might be sufficient reason to pull it. I just don't know the factual details on that.
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TCO
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Richmond, VA
Jan 1970
time: 00:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Ned
I found this in today NYTimes:
"In 1998, when Mr. Schiavo asked a court's permission to remove his wife's feeding tube, the Schindlers challenged, leading to a trial. That is when Michael and Scott Schiavo and their sister in-law Joan Schiavo testified that Ms. Schiavo had told them never to prolong her life artificially.
Scott Schiavo testified that after his grandmother was on life support at the end of her life, Ms. Schiavo had told him: "If I ever go like that, just let me go. Don't leave me there."
Judge George Greer of Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court found the testimony constituted "clear and convincing" evidence of Ms. Schiavo's wishes, and her feeding tube was removed in April 2001. It was reconnected days later, after a former girlfriend of Mr. Schiavo called a radio station to say he had told her he had no idea whether his wife would have wanted life-prolonging measures."
"That led to new testimony, but it did not change Judge Greer's mind, partly because the girlfriend recanted."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/26/n...ted=3&th&emc=th
The three withness who testified were all Schiavo family members. Their testimony was contradicted by a girlfriend who later recanted. However, there are other witnesses who were present when Schiavo made the statement to the former girlfriend who support the original statement of the girlfriend. |
Hey Che, that's from 1998!!! MOFO!
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shawnmmcc
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The State of Florida has a system of due process in place. Terry Schiavo is her legal guardian. He petitioned for the hearing. The court appointed a disinterested party who determined the extent of her brain damage. Even without all the rest of the fuss, that is enough to pull her plug. Tough. Sorry.
I find it interesting that the Republicans are now the people interfering with state's rights, civil courts, and family matters. If you don't want this to happen, change the law to deny the husband, or anybody, presumptive guardian status. Automatically have the court appoint someone - oh, excuse me, that means more lawyers are going have to paid to serve as these guardians.
Plus now you are interfering in the nuclear American family. Husband and wife. Any system that does this is going to have problems. Ned, look at the abuses, by the legal profession, in those states where strangers can essentially get the elderly declared incompetent and take over their estate. The lawyers have a pretty awful record.
Ok, so the courts will have someone overseeing this. Who is going to pay? The taxpayers, those spoiled brats who want something for nothing and keep voting for deficit spending by both parties.  The estate of the family. Great, we eliminate the inheritance tax, but if medical science can keep you in alive but brain-dead, the lawyers and doctors will take all of it.
The current system has worked, for centuries, i.e. the foundations go back to British Common Law. It works, leave it alone. It works for most Americans, 70-80% plus is poll numbers are correct. Ned, TCO, Drake - are you will to pay Terri's tax, a surcharge to support people in her situation, or like in Texas where nobody except the state wanted to pull the plug on that baby - who yes was going to die an awful death. If you are, then fine. You aren't - then you are a hippocrit of the worst kind, because analysis shows that medicaid will be paying most of the bills in one-two years, maybe less. Yes, in this case there is enough outside meddling to pay the bills. But who will pay the bills of the cases that DON'T get the attention? Remember, it's you who want to dismantle the current system. Care to pay for it?
Leave it alone, and let the poor women's body die and her soul go on to whatever awaits it. If you really believe in God (Ned, I noticed you post earlier so you are exused  ) let her go on to her final judgement, or resting place, or whatever it is we will all discover is beyond the veil.
Oh, and TCO, from you post on family I understand why this is such a hot button issue for you. My mother, a claustrophobe, died restrained while her brain shut down because the my father was too busy coursing Borzois with the woman who would become my stepmother, and did not want to be bothered. And she clearly wanted to come home to die. It's always sad when that happens, but once the person no longer can represent themselves, then you might argue that the wishes of the family are a testimonial in some ways of those they married and or raised. When push came to shove, my mother married a jerk. I'm sorry your family didn't do to well either, on the issue of asking your grandmother. All you can do is go on, and make sure you never do the same, and raise your children the same way. Break the cycle.
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26-03-2005 20:12
Then where does Ned keep coming up with this BS about a broken back and femur?
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