26-03-2005 20:53									#1
	My Friend and I are Debating Over Wether Boxing is About the KO or the Points Got spare money?

I say its about scoring as many points as you can, if you score a KO, great!

My friend says the whole point it to score a KO, the points are only used to judge the winner if there is none (a KO).


What say you?

	26-03-2005 20:56									#2
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You and your friend should settle this issue through boxing

	26-03-2005 20:59									#3
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quote: You and your friend should settle this issue through boxing

He weighs 200+ pounds and can bench 300+

I weigh around 150 and can hardly push my own weight.

So the answer to that would be, no.

	26-03-2005 21:02									#4
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Both are acceptable ways of winning a fight.

Originally the fights went on a la Fight Club, until someone was KOed or gave up or was disqualified.

Only thugs pray for knockouts.

	26-03-2005 21:09									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us quote: You and your friend should settle this issue through boxing He weighs 200+ pounds and can bench 300+ I weigh around 150 and can hardly push my own weight. So the answer to that would be, no.

Hey, go for points then.

Though I'm not a big boxing fan.. I do prefer the knock-out.

	26-03-2005 21:09									#6
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I thought boxing was about the money and getting the most fixed fights in your favour.

	26-03-2005 21:37									#7
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A win is a win is a win.
Points will get it done just as well as a k.o. or t.k.o.

	26-03-2005 21:44									#8
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boxing is stupid

	26-03-2005 21:52									#9
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I got a KO and a TKO to my name(ametuer), and that was enough for me to realise that for me it seemed to be about the KO when in the ring.

but yeah boxing is kinda stupid(i felt pretty sorry for the TKO guy), but on an animal/primative level it makes sense some how.

	26-03-2005 21:54									#10
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SlowwHand sighting +1

Boxing is barbaric and should be outlawed.

	26-03-2005 21:56									#11
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I'm so glad some things remain the same, even if it's just meaningless attempt at input.

	26-03-2005 21:56									#12
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The good thing about boxing is there are a lot of different strategies to win. If you said boxing is about the KO or boxing is about the points, then you would be limiting the strategies of the fighters by about half and the matches would be more boring.

	26-03-2005 22:03									#13
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Pro-wrestling
Mexican pro-wrestling
ameteur boxing
pro boxing

	26-03-2005 22:25									#14
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I'd love to see pro boxing get cleaned up, but I don't see it happening. That's a real shame, because the sport of boxing is the the toughest sport to play that I know of.

	26-03-2005 22:37									#15
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well the training was hard as nails for sure. but i was a bit disapointed once in the ring, it didn't quite live up to the hype(maybe i needed better opponents?). But it was interesting and two fights was enough for me to see the damage you could do to your brain

I like to watch it on tv though - something very 'honest' about two evenly weighted guys standing toe-to-toe. Not that the pro scene is often that honest with fixed fights etc, but still i find i appriciate it a whole lot more after trying it, even just two fights worth.

In terms of toughness i found rugby to be more of a test for me - trying to not get injured was quite an art

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The training must be a killer. Just sparring with friends, after a minute or two I could hardly move my arms to hit back or defend myself. That's really tough, even if I was out of shape. Wrestling is tough, but not that tough. Rugby isn't that tough, although it's rough. Football, at least American rules, is pretty rough, but not tough.

	26-03-2005 22:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Pro-wrestling Mexican pro-wrestling ameteur boxing pro boxing

I completely agree

	26-03-2005 22:58									#18
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yeah there is a difference in rough and tough - i see where your coming from and agree.

I trained for 4 months - 5am every morning and again in the evenings! and my sparing partner was sometimes a super-heavy weight(i was middle!), who had already put two guys out from competing in the fight through concussions.

The training was definately the hardest(and most fun) part, luckily i was super fit then or it could have killed me i remember thinking at the time.

crazy sport, but yes the toughest for sure!

Rugby/American football/Aussie rules the roughest.

	26-03-2005 23:28									#19
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Well my hat's off to you.

	26-03-2005 23:40									#20
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quote: Boxing is barbaric and should be outlawed.

Go play with the other girls.

When it's refereed properly and you get rid of the silly, violent hyping of matches, it's a fine sport.

	26-03-2005 23:51									#21
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well fittness was the key, cardio type - i suffered much less and breezed through the fights on my fitness levels, i could just keep throwing the punches taking the hits and move around with no trouble at all.

In training, especially in the begining just a minute or two of sparing would suck your energy, much like you were describing. But if you carried it on for a few months you'd notice a big difference. very good as fitness training, probably the best i've done.

I wasn't a great fighter, just very fit and lucky i reckon. put me in with a guy with better technique or more experience and i would have struggled for sure.

Plus i'm kinda a gentle guy too - i'd rather talk my way out of a situation, violence isn't the best option

	27-03-2005 00:11									#22
	Re: My Friend and I are Debating Over Wether Boxing is About the KO or the Points Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by Space05us I say its about scoring as many points as you can, if you score a KO, great! My friend says the whole point it to score a KO, the points are only used to judge the winner if there is none (a KO). What say you?

You are right, theres an adage in boxing "Don't look for the knockout, just let it come".

If you look for the knockout, you load up on your punches too much and end up 'telegraphing' your punches

	27-03-2005 00:13									#23
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor well fittness was the key, cardio type - i suffered much less and breezed through the fights on my fitness levels, i could just keep throwing the punches taking the hits and move around with no trouble at all. In training, especially in the begining just a minute or two of sparing would suck your energy, much like you were describing. But if you carried it on for a few months you'd notice a big difference. very good as fitness training, probably the best i've done. I wasn't a great fighter, just very fit and lucky i reckon. put me in with a guy with better technique or more experience and i would have struggled for sure. Plus i'm kinda a gentle guy too - i'd rather talk my way out of a situation, violence isn't the best option

I am glad you quit, got out safely. With that sort of nature you were going to get killed.

	27-03-2005 00:19									#24
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In the Olympics it is all points driven

In the Professional bouts, it is all KO driven.

We as the audience are generally bloodthirsty and like to see two guys beat the hell out of each other. Therefore points matches are more boring in the pros. It's that whole Roman Christians to the Lions intstinct.

	27-03-2005 00:22									#25
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boxing is as much a sport as creationism is science

	27-03-2005 00:33									#26
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Fights are rarely fixed from the boxer's standpoint. You can make a good case for the lousy scoring that happens a lot.

Boxing is about winning, the only sure way to win is to KO the opponent. Going to the points is, in a lot of cases, a dangerous proposition.

I think that scorers all score differently, so if you don't do something a judge likes, you could be in trouble.

The point system for amatuers, what I saw in the Olympics was even worse.

ACK!

	27-03-2005 00:56									#27
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Pro-wrestling Mexican pro-wrestling ameteur boxing pro boxing

Greco-Roman wresting:

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Pankration

	27-03-2005 01:21									#29
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amateur boxing like at USNA is all about points. I prefer those bouts because they are more intense. It doesn't seem reasonable to me to have 12 rounds. 3 rounds is enough. It exhausts you like wrestling.

The heavyweights are kinda interesting in the sense of power, but they spend a lot of time leaning on each other. And they don't hold their hands up defensively.

	27-03-2005 03:31									#30
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What Sloww said.

It's a fight, and you're supposed to win it. There are few ways to win it as we all know.

Then of course, many times in amateur boxing it's more about points, where you score a point for a clean hit.

But I'm more into pro boxing, and I think most of us are, who are into boxing, anyway. What's the point of wearing mailboxes in your head, when you're boxing.

So, boxing is about fighting and getting a W to your column. By KO, TKO, ref stoppage, corner throwing the towel in, points, what ever. So yeah, it's about winning and boxing.

So in that sense, pro boxing is the only real way to go for me. Because the objective is to hurt your opponent. Smash them. In amateur boxing, it's too much about getting a shot in, and most of all, avoiding to recieve one. I like the idea of intent to finish the fight. To do damage. Of course not to seriously injure anyone, but to do damage in order to win the fight. But no doubt, even amateur boxing is pretty manly stuff.