26-03-2005 23:39									#1
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So does the world not exist at all? Damn Schrodingers Cat..it must be dead in my opinion.

Therefore there is no paradox . But yes, physics is definitely up against the highest brick wall here, it can not explain a thing.

	26-03-2005 23:44									#2
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You mean, it can't explain a thing except phenomena such as the behavior of light or electricity of nuclear physics?

	26-03-2005 23:47									#3
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It can't explain anything that is behind our backs.

	26-03-2005 23:49									#4
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Well, it certainly has a better track record than you do at predicting things.

	26-03-2005 23:49									#5
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...and the behavior of three out of the four fundamental forces, part of the explanation of the big bang, nature of solid-state physics, et cetera.... Yeah, that's sure not explaining a thing.

One should note that the Copenhagen interpretation is not the only philosophical interpretation of quantum mechanics. There's also the many worlds interpretation.

	26-03-2005 23:51									#6
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And, of course, there's the fact that QM isn't the philosophy, which is worthless, it's a mathematical tool for predicting physical phenomena. As such, it is *very* successful.

	26-03-2005 23:52									#7
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By the way, you can still observe things with things behind your back. You can hear, feel, et cetera; hearing by itself pretty much says that you are an observer for things behind your back. You don't have to see things for it to be observed.

Still, there are still other observers anyway; an "observer" doesn't even have to be sentient, really.

	26-03-2005 23:55									#8
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" it's a mathematical tool for predicting physical phenomena. As such, it is *very* successful."

When the maths is analysed it makes not a bean of sense.

"Still, there are still other observers anyway; an "observer" doesn't even have to be sentient, really.
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What is an observer?

	26-03-2005 23:56									#9
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quote: " it's a mathematical tool for predicting physical phenomena. As such, it is *very* successful." When the maths is analysed it makes not a bean of sense.

Which is irrelevent, since IT WORKS. The mathematics are quite clearly correct.

	27-03-2005 00:01									#10
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But the maths mean nothing, at all.

	27-03-2005 00:04									#11
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Which is irrelevent, since THEY WORK. They predict physical phenomana to incredible accuracy. As such, whether you can make any sense of them isn't important.

That action at a distance doesn't make sense isn't a valid argument against Newton. Same thing here.

	27-03-2005 00:06									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue " it's a mathematical tool for predicting physical phenomena. As such, it is *very* successful." When the maths is analysed it makes not a bean of sense.

yes it does

quote: "Still, there are still other observers anyway; an "observer" doesn't even have to be sentient, really. " What is an observer?

Something which performs a measurement.

	27-03-2005 00:08									#13
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Exactly. The problem with science right now is the orthodox. They (you?) are not prepared to question anything.

You are like the Christians proclaiming that the world is flat.

	27-03-2005 00:09									#14
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Eh, why would we question something that's obviously correct?

	27-03-2005 00:09									#15
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The fundamental axiom of quantum mechanics in question is the one which states: "any measurement of an observable puts the system into an eigenstate of the associated operator"

	27-03-2005 00:10									#16
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PA, just because you don't understand it doesn't mean nobody does.

Could you please attempt to state precisely what your quibble is?

	27-03-2005 00:10									#17
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Exactly, again!!! You can not comprehend subjectivity.

	27-03-2005 00:11									#18
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Who are you talking to, old bean?

	27-03-2005 00:15									#19
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I really do love it when people who don't understand a subject at all try to debate the philosophy of that subject.

It's like watching two retarded chickens wearing boxing gloves fighting over Hegel...

	27-03-2005 00:37									#20
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The Copenhagen interpretation is crap because it is anthropocentric, the cat, after all, is an observer. It is also counsciousness-centric, becaue a flea on the cat is also an observor.

Quantum Physics makes my head explode, thats why I stick to Biology and Geology.

	27-03-2005 00:38									#21
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	27-03-2005 00:41									#22
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Physics has reached the point of ridicule. It does not know anything further and it does not know what it tries to explain, It is loat in a grand world.

	27-03-2005 00:42									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Odin The Copenhagen interpretation is crap because it is anthropocentric, the cat, after all, is an observer. It is also counsciousness-centric, becaue a flea on the cat is also an observor. Quantum Physics makes my head explode, thats why I stick to Biology and Geology.

Halfway right. The cat is indeed an observer. This has nothing to do with the Copenhagen interpretation, however. Anybody who knows anything knows that the cat is merely a metaphor...

	27-03-2005 00:43									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Physics has reached the point of ridicule. It does not know anything further and it does not know what it tries to explain, It is loat in a grand world.

Trying to rationalise your ignorance because learning is too hard

	27-03-2005 00:54									#25
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I find it amusing that PA, an economist by education, is questioning the ability of highly precise physics theories to make accurate predictions.

	27-03-2005 01:23									#26
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I don't like the blabla about observers. It makes more sense to me to think that the cat is dead or alive with some probability than that it is half dead. What is really wierd is some of the slit experiments.

	27-03-2005 01:26									#27
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Any slit experiment in particular?

	27-03-2005 01:35									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue But the maths mean nothing, at all.

It's like water or rice. Drop the s. Otherwise, what the heck is an individual math?

	27-03-2005 01:36									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Any slit experiment in particular?

Can't recall. But all that stuff with interference patterns affected by second slit being closed even though individual photons are going down the path seperately,/

	27-03-2005 01:37									#30
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They aren't.