30-03-2005 09:46									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Sava oh BTW, the Xbox version will suck... as all Xbox games do.

Yes, because better hardware is a surefire path to suckiness.

Hail PS2, the outgunned ***** of Xbox.

	30-03-2005 11:09									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Yes, because better hardware is a surefire path to suckiness. Hail PS2, the outgunned ***** of Xbox.

actually, hail my pc... my video card is probably more powerful than an xbox

	30-03-2005 14:00									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Sava actually, hail my pc... my video card is probably more powerful than an xbox

erm no......hail my P166 atleast in terms of the amount of time i play games on it compared to my PIII or xbox

	30-03-2005 16:24									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Of course I realise that. It doesn't help my case any though, so I didn't mention it.

It does matter though because people tend to compare X-Com and friends with average games from today with better graphics, and conclude that today's games have better graphics and are overall worse games. This irks me.

	30-03-2005 17:04									#65
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???what? Xcom IS better than any game produced since, surely?



mutter...you've just become deluded by the sweet sweet eye candy that the sugar pimp producers give you to rot your teeth but keep you coming back for more! The monsters!

Edit: On a serious note, Oblivion is looking like an amazing rpg in the making(how many times have we heard this ) and i'm likely to get the new Zelda game as the graphics look a great addition to the gameplay

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	30-03-2005 17:19									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Consumers don't buy games with older graphics. It is little wonder that the emphasis has moved towards graphics and away from good game design.

If that was entirely true, consoles would never have succeeded at taking over the PC gaming market and the release of a new platform with good graphics would rapidly kill off older platforms. Neither has happened up to this point.

	30-03-2005 18:09									#67
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...with all else held equal. Price affects things too.

	30-03-2005 19:56									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Yep, and just as we all love popcorn movies, we all love popcorn games too. They're the ones that sell best in both media.

somehow i recall eating popcorn while watching Seven Samurai, and 2001:A Space Odyssey, etc. And really enjoying those films. But then I can stay up to 3 AM playing EU2. Im just weird, I guess.

Never got into Friday 13th genre, though.

	30-03-2005 19:59									#69
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike It does matter though because people tend to compare X-Com and friends with average games from today with better graphics, and conclude that today's games have better graphics and are overall worse games. This irks me.

How do we define "todays games" Does EU2 count? cause if so, im ready to sign up in the todays games are better camp. (sorry if im going on too much, in deep in the throws of fanboydom)

	30-03-2005 20:40									#70
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Eu2 is soooo old

'Todays games' are i think in 3D only.

'Yesterdays games' are of the 2D variety.

well if you want it in reference to the developing arguement this thread is in danger of becoming

	30-03-2005 21:55									#71
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EU2 is middle ground I'd say. Certainly CoT's 3d/2d distinction is rubbish, either way.

I'll save everyone's time by posting the conclusion that the following discussion will come to:

Improving technology increases the potential for great games. Unfortunately, all to often companies substitute eye candy for good gameplay, and no one approves of this except the casual gamers that drive the market. Still, the potential of better technology is realised in a small set of games, same as the classics we remember (like X-Com) were a small set of games set afloat in a sea of mediocrity.

The jury can justifiably be out on genres like TBS, where the effect of improved technology is less than in general, though it can still improve AI and add potential for complexity.

Don't say I never do anything for ya.

	30-03-2005 22:01									#72
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I told you, you're all getting old.

	30-03-2005 22:24									#73
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Shut up and GEROFF MY LAWN!

	30-03-2005 22:48									#74
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The original Doom picture looks like it has the background from that stupid Windows screensaver.

	30-03-2005 22:55									#75
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike EU2 is middle ground I'd say. Certainly CoT's 3d/2d distinction is rubbish, either way. I'll save everyone's time by posting the conclusion that the following discussion will come to: Improving technology increases the potential for great games. Unfortunately, all to often companies substitute eye candy for good gameplay, and no one approves of this except the casual gamers that drive the market. Still, the potential of better technology is realised in a small set of games, same as the classics we remember (like X-Com) were a small set of games set afloat in a sea of mediocrity. The jury can justifiably be out on genres like TBS, where the effect of improved technology is less than in general, though it can still improve AI and add potential for complexity. Don't say I never do anything for ya.

on the money i'd say

And yes we're old - so what, doesn't mean we don't know a good game when we can get our zimmer-frames in front of our pc's. youth - no respect these days

I think on the progress part of this thread, the bit i'm not happy with is the comparative rise in technology tied in with the rise of better gaming.

In the 80's + ealry to mid 90's technology was often the defining aspect of what developers could do. Coders would really have to push the machines capabilities to get the best results.
Now you get much less of this 'clever' programming. Storage is vast, mhz really move and ram is in plentifull supply.

So we should see a comparative rise in awesome games? well many old timers think we should, i do tend to be on that side of the fence, and sadly these great games are few and far between

	30-03-2005 23:08									#76
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor on the money i'd say

Naturally.

	30-03-2005 23:51									#77
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike EU2 is middle ground I'd say.

I so much wanted to be on the side of all that is shiny and new

	30-03-2005 23:56									#78
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but it is shinny and new to you right? bit like Medieval Total War for me. So its all good

	31-03-2005 06:05									#79
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I think that one of the reasons why we don't see many great games nowadays is the fact that in the past developers were discovering new ways of playing everytime... New genres were being born almost everyday, innovation was rampant back then.

Today we only have repetition, with a few exceptions, of course. But it is getting harder and harder to create something truly original. And games now cost millions of dollars to be made... The publishers want more of the same, because more of the same earns them a good money. No one wants to take risks. What is the hot thing? WWII shooters? Well, let's make a WWII shooter. Look, the hot thing now is MMORPG! Then let's do it. And so you end up with games which are merely rehashes of something that has been done before.

	31-03-2005 06:12									#80
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Homo sapien. The other red meat.

	31-03-2005 06:13									#81
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Horrible graphics. Everything is so plastic and shiny.

	31-03-2005 06:18									#82
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd bla bla whine whine bla bla

Go away

	31-03-2005 06:51									#83
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I disagree with Ludd. The monster and the corpse are plastic indeed, but the background is excellent, save for the exaggerated light-reflections on the urinals. The textures of blood stains, in particular, are most excellent

	31-03-2005 07:12									#84
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In keeping with the games themes, the place should be dirty. It is as thought the corporation wasted all its budget on janitors and didn't have enough to spend on security measures or something.

	31-03-2005 07:15									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor The textures of blood stains, in particular, are most excellent

Then there's the texture of the crud on the floor, which doesn't blend with the environemnt at all.

	31-03-2005 07:27									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns In keeping with the games themes, the place should be dirty. It is as thought the corporation wasted all its budget on janitors and didn't have enough to spend on security measures or something.

Actually, I see quite a few areas of dirt, as well as a broken tile.

	31-03-2005 08:08									#87
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And you think XBOX graphics suck, check out this motha.

	31-03-2005 09:43									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Verto And you think XBOX graphics suck, check out this motha.

None of those images worked for me, but the last Doom3 screenshot you posted is from the PC

	31-03-2005 09:45									#90
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Oh, I know.

I think it was Sava who had mentioned how Xbox graphics sucked. I happened upon the photos and felt like posting them.