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I always vomit at home...
except for those times I vomited at others houses
and the time that I vomited while being driven home after vomiting for ~3 hours at anothers house
Jon Miller
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
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I'd definitely support lowering the drinking age to 18 if I were an American. It's 19 in most places here so it's not quite so rediculous (still think it makes more sense at 18, though).
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:29
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Ozzy:
I notice your main realistic aim with that campaign is to build a lasting grass-root activity in Vermont. I'd like to ask you a few questions, and maybe to give you some advice from my experience as an activist of a relatively unknown/unpopular cause.
1. Do you have a significant amount of activists in Vermont? It's the first important question, as such people can be an extremely important asset in A. giving you good local tips about how to campaign efficiently (it's not obvious to merely know the good spots where kids hang around, and you could lose much of your precious time looking for them), and B. maintaining the interests you guys will spark.
If you only have passive members in Vermont, you may want to mail them personally so that they give you tips per e-mail (so that you can look for additional info on the 'net before leaving), and you can ask them to give a hand, even if their help won't be too much.
2. Be ready to have plenty of people who'll say they're interested, and who'll never contact you again, simply because they're not sure, or they don't bother. This is not too bad in your case, because it will weed out the kids who aren't genuinely interested in youth rights, but who only want to get wasted. However, you might lose much useful potential in the process. Make sure to regularly contact the people who want to adhere to your cause if they don't take the step themselves.
3. Do you have all the propaganda material you'll need in your car, or will you print it there? If it's the second option, you should make sure to take contact with local printeries before going there. Printing material can take some time, and your campaign will be extremely short.
4. When you see someone that looks really motivated, exchange adresses and phone number. Discuss and explain how indispensable he'll be to the cause: you must make sure he'll feel as important as he actually is (real activists are a rare and precious thing). Don't stop sympathizing with him even if you upset the schedule a bit. If you recruit even a few dozens of such people in your trip, you'd have scored a serious success.
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:29
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Drinking seems an odd choice for the fight for youth rights but then again 21 seems really really old to be the drinking age. In my province it was 19 -- since most people go to university at 18, you had an environment where the vast majority of people could legally drink. It never made much sense to me.
More generally Ozzy, do you accept that there should be any age restrictions on such activities as voting and drinking? I think no limit becomes ridiculous since then my two year old could vote if the mood struck him to draw next to one of the candidates name.
There could be negative repercussions from fulfilling a vision of youth rights. Lets say that the voting and drinking age was dropped to say 12 on the argument that these people are fully competent to make their own decisions. Then also might it also follow that
1. Age 12 would be the age when a youth offender should face full responsibility for crimes in adult court including the death penalty
2. Military service could begin at age 12
3. It would be tough to legitimize any stat rape laws that protected anyone over the age of 12 (if they have full "adult" freedoms on every other issue, how could they be denied sexual freedom )
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Flubber
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With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:29
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quote:
Originally posted by Theben
DUI tickets to all the out-of-staters driving to Vermont to get drunk, then driving home wasted. Of course that will be offset by the increased medical bills of injured/ dead kids littering your highways, and those injured by their driving.
Which is why Wisconsin eventually raised it's drinking age. Too many 18-20 year old Illinoisians and Minnisotans caught DUI/ crashing/ dying.
No support here, at least not for a single state issue. Try a national campaign. |
I believe that Detroit faces a similar issue with people nipping up into Canada to drink. The reality is that most teens will drink to excess either legally or "underage" at some point. I don't think you can stop that but I do think that more can be done on preventing DUI regardless of age.
I know in my social circle people are very conscious of who is driving. Some people might get wasted but their friends know which of the sober ones is doing the driving. I would bet dollars to donuts that my friends would tackle me to the ground rather than let me get behind the wheel drunk
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28-03-2005 17:42
ACK!
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