 |
| |
|
|
Spiffor
|
 |
CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:29
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by Atahualpa
And that is because you have the more charismatic people or because people vote for your ideas? Is it because people are dissatisfied with other parties?
How large is your base compared to those who voted for your party in the last election? |
Actually, the result is mostly because we are finding back our base that we lost when we sucked the dick of the former government. It's absolutely not because of charisma (we have a big problem on that one).
The other reason is because we slowly manage to have our ideas known (ideas which you have no idea about, but already dismiss as "dead" because of the C word, like a great many French people do), and we have re-created new networks.
Just like Ozzy, the ideas of the French Communist Party are not well known, and the arguments in favour of them are basically unknown. Especially in my neck of the wood, where communists are seen as fair freaks (along with two-headed twins and bearded women  ). However, because of the C word, many people criticize us on their image of our platform.
This is why it is essential to make our arguments known. Especially, it takes time to have people admit that we're a normal party that carries a viable alternative. Just like it'll take time for Ozzy to have people admit he represents an actual issue, that deserves attention, and whose arguments aren't immature (such is the prejudice he risks to encounter).
Ozzy has done this work quite well on 'Poly. Two years ago, I can't think of anybody who had an interest in youth rights. It is now an issue regularly discussed here, and some people who are not him have taken sides. Still, prejudice continues to exist about his issue, but we are now more knowledgeable about it, and he even got some support on the matter in the end.
This work of "sensibilization" is much harder in the real world than on 'Poly, because RL people are much less politically interested, and much less socially liberal as well. However, the real world is where it's at 
(if you wonder what our platform is, it's mostly about defense of public services and of worker rights, wealth redistribution through equal taxation on income from capital as income from work, more direct direct democracy at local level, mixed housing, etc. We make no reference to a communist society anymore, and we only vaguely hint to "changing society". As you can see, ideas that are absolutely dead and couldn't interest anybody  )
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Flubber
|
|
With a view of the Rockies
Aug 2000
time: 22:29
|
|
quote:
Originally posted by SpencerH
OTOH, I cant say that I agree with lowering the drinking age. It may be stupid to keep it at 21 but if it saves one fool kid then it's worth it. |
On that logic why not ban alcohol and tobacco altogether since if it saves "one fool adult then it's worth it"
We permit "adults" to be idiots, don't we??
|
|
| |
|
|
|
Kontiki
|
|
Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:29
|
|
The biggest problem I see with the whole youth rights thing is that you either have to A) draw a line in the sand somewhere or B) move lots of things to a "test" based system. If it's option A, then you can never escape the "well, there's lots of people just one year younger than that who are just as mature/capable/whatever than those at the legal age. If it's B, then you need to make a pretty convincing case as to why many people who can currently drink/vote/screw/whatever should suddenly have those rights stripped from them.
|
|
| |
|
|
|
OzzyKP
|
 |
Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:29
|
|
Thanks for the kind words of support Che and Spiffor, and others. And yes Spiff, I definitely see huge progress in the 'poly crowd in "sensibilizing" youth rights, and for that I am grateful. It is now a week into the campaign, and tremendous progress has been made. This is definitely the most successful campaign NYRA has been involved in, and I am very pleased with everything we have done. This campaign has been very professional, very well planned, and very well executed.
As you noted of course, it is difficult overcoming the prejudices of the people when hearing an issue like this. But among many other things, that is one of my great talents. I strongly encourage you to check out my blog, as I have been posting daily updates on our progress since the campaign began. Scroll down to day 1 and read up.
The address: http://www.oneandfour.org
I've asked some of our non-Vermont activists to post updates here in this thread just to let you all know the progress we've been making. So don't flame them if some newbie shows up here.
Just read if you are interested in the issue of lowering the drinking age, or interested in seeing how politics works in the US or Vermont, or interested in seeing what ol' Ozzy is spending morning, noon and night on(and why I haven't been gracing you with my presence), or if you are interested in seeing how a grassroots campaign like this opperates.
Even if my people don't post here, you can get updates yourself by going here: http://www.oneandfour.org
|
|
| |
All times are GMT. The time now is 05:29.
Apolyton Time is 00:29. |
top of page
|
|
|
Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
|
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON
|
|
|
|
|
|
29-03-2005 01:45
You don't really think that it is hard to get alcohol as an 18 year old at college, do you?
|