30-03-2005 04:09									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The hypocrisy is the leadership of the Scouts (who make such calls) in taking the stance that they are "moral", when at least one of them is a pedophile. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a good many of the Scout leadership council are pedophiles. The same scout leadership that refused gays from being members were downloading porn of prepubescent boys having sex.

They don't make the stance that "they are moral" or that they are "perfectly moral". They make the stance that they advocate moral behavior. Do you think a coach who emphasizes ball control but whose team still loses the ball occasionally is hypocritical? Even if they lose it a lot, but he is pushing for less losing it, is he hypocritical? I hope your logic is better when looking at computer bizness issues. Strat division at Redmond does not like sloppy thinkers.

	30-03-2005 04:10									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It was a spelling nitpick, not a grammar one. I'm just pedantic. And I'm no flamer, I leave that for the boys in the Navy uniforms.

You are not allowed to look at them. Stop thinking about the pink elephant.

	30-03-2005 04:11									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's just like a jail, no one there is gay...they just like to be on the bottom...

Long, black and full of se(a)men...

	30-03-2005 04:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by TCO They don't make the stance that "they are moral" or that they are "perfectly moral". They make the stance that they advocate moral behavior.

What's the point?

Lead by example, don't expose your children to predators...blahblahblah.

quote: Do you think a coach who emphasizes ball control but whose team still loses the ball occasionally is hypocritical?

I think the coach who kicks a gay guy off the team for fear he'll corrupt the kids, and then beats off at home to nude pictures of said kids, is being hypocritical.

	30-03-2005 04:13									#35
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quote: Originally posted by TCO You are not allowed to look at them. Stop thinking about the pink elephant.

Pic of the owner of the gay bar in Toronto called "5ive", and his boyfriend:

	30-03-2005 04:15									#36
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Isn't it bad manners for gays to out each other?

	30-03-2005 04:19									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It was a spelling nitpick, not a grammar one. I'm just pedantic. And I'm no flamer, I leave that for the boys in the Navy uniforms.

thems fightin' words. prepare to duel.

	30-03-2005 04:20									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Pic of the owner of the gay bar in Toronto called "5ive", and his boyfriend:

ooh, red eyes. sexy.

In the U.S. navy superiors aren't allowed to have relationships with junior ranks. The one guy looks like he's an officer or NCO, and the other guy looks to be a low rank.

	30-03-2005 04:21									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The hypocrisy is the leadership of the Scouts (who make such calls) in taking the stance that they are "moral", when at least one of them is a pedophile.

If they didn't know... there is no hypocrisy...

quote: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a good many of the Scout leadership council are pedophiles.

Bad Troll

quote: The same scout leadership that refused gays from being members were downloading porn of prepubescent boys having sex.

First... they could have been young girls... the story didn't cover that But seriously, how do you even know this guy was involved in the original decision against gays...

The leadership seems to be treating this situation equally... they found out the guy was under investigation, and got rid of him

	30-03-2005 04:23									#40
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quote: I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a good many of the Scout leadership council are pedophiles.

Using your logic, I suppose your a fan of black spiked dildos up your ass without lube, while wearing assless chaps and a ball gag.

quote: The same scout leadership that refused gays from being members were downloading porn of prepubescent boys having sex.

Was this scout leader even involved in that? Was he even that high up back then? How is this one individual indicative of anyone else? And where did it say boys?

Again, if we are going to use one individual of a group to claim the rest as pedofiles, then alot of groups (the gay community one of the foremost) have much more damning evidence against them of being wide spread kiddy ****ers.

	30-03-2005 04:24									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Ming First... they could have been young girls... the story didn't cover that But seriously, how do you even know this guy was involved in the original decision against gays... The leadership seems to be treating this situation equally... they found out the guy was under investigation, and got rid of him

The MSNBC article mentions it was young boys. It's linked on the front page.

And as far as I know, it was the "council" that banned gays, of which he is a member as a Director...

	30-03-2005 04:26									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Using your logic, I suppose your a fan of black spiked dildos up your ass without lube, while wearing assless chaps and a ball gag.

What, stereotype?

If I was a member of a council that made a decision, I think it would be more than fair to say I had something to do with it.

That's very different from stereotyping a segment of the population.

	30-03-2005 04:26									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Isn't it bad manners for gays to out each other?

He's very out...

Canadian military permits gays to serve openly. In fact, it's illegal for them to discrminate on those grounds. Submarines and all.

	30-03-2005 04:27									#44
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You are ignoring the fact that they dumped his ass when they found out there was a chance that he was a pedophile (innocent until proven guilty)... If they kept him around with charges flying, you would have a point... but they couldn't get rid of him fast enough...

So again... a lame troll

	30-03-2005 04:29									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Ming You are ignoring the fact that they dumped his ass when they found out there was a chance that he was a pedophile (innocent until proven guilty)... If they kept him around with charges flying, you would have a point... but they couldn't get rid of him fast enough... So again... a lame troll

Are you kidding? Of course they'd do that, can you imagine the PR backlash if they let him continue his duties if they knew he was under suspicion of being a pedophile?

It doesn't change the fact that a member of the council who made the decision to ban gays for moral reasons was a pedophile jerking off to kiddie porn.

	30-03-2005 04:31									#46
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Nice to see Asher effectively equating gays and pedophiles.

They fired him when they found out he was a pedophile. Jokes aside the Scouts has the same policy on gays as it does on pedophiles -- stay away. There's no hypocrisy here.

	30-03-2005 04:31									#47
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Catholic priests, top US boyscout officials...what is it with the homophobic religious authority figures and rampant pedophelia?

	30-03-2005 04:32									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Nice to see Asher effectively equating gays and pedophiles. They fired him when they found out he was a pedophile. Jokes aside the Scouts has the same policy on gays as it does on pedophiles -- stay away. There's no hypocrisy here.

The Hypocrisy lies in the fact that the dude was part of the leadership council that banned gays.

As usual the philosopher misses the point.

	30-03-2005 04:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It doesn't change the fact that a member of the council who made the decision to ban gays for moral reasons was a pedophile jerking off to kiddie porn.

First... he hasn't been declared guilty... yet

But second... you can't tar the entire council because of one bad member.

If one gay person is a pedophile, should all gays be considered pedophiles

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quote: Canadian military permits gays to serve openly. In fact, it's illegal for them to discrminate on those grounds. Submarines and all.

Great, now you have just condemned him to got knows what for poking ratings.

Any other black eyes you wish to give your sexual persuasion today?

	30-03-2005 04:34									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Ming First... he hasn't been declared guilty... yet But second... you can't tar the entire council because of one bad member. If one gay person is a pedophile, should all gays be considered pedophiles

Didn't say all of the leadership council are pedophiles, just that many probably are.

And the reason for this is they stay involved with young boys even once their children are out of it. Suspicious stuff.

	30-03-2005 04:36									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Great, now you have just condemned him to got knows what for poking ratings. Any other black eyes you wish to give your sexual persuasion today?

What is a sexual persuasion, S&M?

The guy is openly gay, he would have to be to own a popular downtown Toronto gay bar...this isn't some kind of revelation.

	30-03-2005 04:38									#53
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For a lame troll this thread is generating lots of responses.

	30-03-2005 04:41									#54
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quote: The Hypocrisy lies in the fact that the dude was part of the leadership council that banned gays. As usual the philosopher misses the point.

I didn't realize you wanted to make such a moronic point. Perhaps if you took philosophy you wouldn't say such daft things.

Of course he's a hypocrite, but who cares? It really doesn't matter.

You can't transfer the hypocrisy of one member of the Scouting Organization onto the whole organization itself. Your claim has about as much interest as this week's outed gay priest article, or the latest case of a corrupt politician.

Asher has discovered that some individuals are hypocrites... big news.

Excuse me while I fall asleep.

Ming should ban you for wasting everyone's time with this thread.

	30-03-2005 04:42									#55
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quote: The guy is openly gay, he would have to be to own a popular downtown Toronto gay bar...this isn't some kind of revelation.

If they are actually in the military, the guy who is obviously wearing the pants in that picture is an officer balls deep in a rating. THAT is what is not kosher.

	30-03-2005 04:43									#56
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You're just a bit upset because you worship ancient pedophiles masquerading as philosophers.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos If they are actually in the military, the guy who is obviously wearing the pants in that picture is an officer balls deep in a rating. THAT is what is not kosher.

His boyfriend isn't in the navy, that's a Halloween-esque costume...

They don't actually wear those, even the Petty Officers don't.

	30-03-2005 04:46									#58
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quote: You're just a bit upset because you worship ancient pedophiles masquerading as philosophers.

Which ones? Both Plato and Aristotle took a dim view of pederasty.

	30-03-2005 15:54									#59
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Here's the hypocricy:

quote: Mr. Smith also responded on behalf of the Boy Scouts in September 2004 when a lawyer and onetime Eagle Scout, Bruce D. Collins, wrote a letter taking issue with the Boy Scouts' dismissal of an assistant scoutmaster, James Dale, because he was gay. (...) Mr. Smith replied that "some intolerant elements in our society want to force scouting to abandon its values and become fundamentally different." He said that Mr. Collins "would do well to communicate his displeasure to those directing their discriminatory assault against his beloved Boy Scouts - the A.C.L.U."

I think have a better understanding of Mr. Smith's "values" now. Gays are dishonorable, sayeth the man accused of trafficking in pedophilia.

	30-03-2005 16:15									#60
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YES! Ming shows he is a true veteran by being the first one to break free from the tyrannical rule of the hypos!!

HYPOCRISY

not

HYPOCRACY

or HIPPOCRACY