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Agathon
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Leafs 4TW!! - CPA
Dec 2002
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It is not. Sex is not a toy in catholic teaching. If You want to use anticonception, You apparently treat it as a toy, not as a means of procreation. That's why it can not be, according to some theologians, accepted. |
Sorry... that's just stupid. Would you rather people used sex as a toy or that they died. That's the reality of AIDS. For most people abstinence is not an option, and lectures on what they may or may not do with their own bodies strike hollow.
But then again, this the church that thinks its wrong for people to have sex for reasons other than procreation, but goes all out to cover up pederastic priests.
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Now what You're doing is not treating catholic teaching as a whole. Condemnation of anticonception makes sense in the light of overall catholic teaching on sexuality. If You want to question it, You have to question its entire form, not a part of it, while explanation for it lies elsewhere. |
Of course I question the whole of it. It's idiotic.
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You'd have to question why is sex something wrong, and it's the right question.
Anyway, your post was very unwise, biased, offensive and completely lacked tact. |
And your posts lack anything remotely resembling intellect. 
But then again, religion is about dogma and fanaticism, not rationality.
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
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Originally posted by Ned
H, you do not seem to understand the degree to which the American church was "behind" the scandal. The whole church is/was besmirched. |
Perhaps American church. And even if it is true, it's not the official doctrine of the church, which makes a comparison simply rude and unappropriate.
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Sorry... that's just stupid. Would you rather people used sex as a toy or that they died. That's the reality of AIDS. For most people abstinence is not an option, and lectures on what they may or may not do with their own bodies strike hollow.
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I guess it'll take some time for You to grasp the idea that the church can not accept the idea of its flock commiting sin. It can not say: You sin... but please commit another sin which will assure You safety of commiting the first one"
Accepting the use of condoms (except for a case of a marriage in which one has AIDS) is not possible, as long as the condoms are a means of commiting sin. Because they are. People do not get diseases because the church does not accept condoms. They do because of their sexual practices.
Perhaps the church demands much from people (abstinency, that is). But if people could once listen to these commandements, they can do it today. And religion is about ideals, not about realism.
And the choice is not between treating sex as a toy and death. Because sex outside marriage is for CC treating sex as a toy. No sex - no risk of death.
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Of course I question the whole of it. It's idiotic.
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Why so?
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And your posts lack anything remotely resembling intellect.
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I lowered myself to your level hoping then You'll understand 
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But then again, religion is about dogma and fanaticism, not rationality. |
Atheists are as fanatical, as can be seen on your example.
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
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H, the American church has a hard time teaching abstinence when its own priests are lustful predators.
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All of them?
And it's not like someone bad can't say something right, especialy if He's just passing someone else's opinion.
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To say that priests having sex, often with young boys and girls, is not the policy of the church ignores the fact that the leadership of the church condoned it, facilitated it and defended it with lawyers and denials for decades.
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Did it "faciliate" it on purpose? Do You think RCC is a paedophilic mafia or whatever? 
Every man should be able to defend his rights at court.
What do You expect? That the church should let the crowd tear the suspected apart before they're found guilty?
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The Church's teachings on sex are riddled with hypocrisy and loopholes. That is one of the reasons why they are complete nonsense.
For example, the Church will marry couples who cannot have kids.
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In fact, there's a rule which forbids marriage in such cases. I've seen some time ago a film about a Brazillian couple who could not get marriage in RCC because the guy was cripled and could not become a father.
It's not anything the church puts pressure on, though,
and I'm not complaining about it. Do You?
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It does not require divorce or separation when one of the couple is infertile.
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It does not require it, but it's one of few reasons for cancelling a marriage.
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It teaches the rythm method of avoiding pregnancy will denying the use of condoms.
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that's the only point of yours with some validity, but again this stance, while I disagree with it, can be defended. God gave us time in which we can have sex without risk of pregnancy, and so we can use it. A condom is lack of respect for the natural rythm God's chosen for us.
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Married men can become priests but priests cannot marry!!!!!
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At least in the past the situation was that a married guy could become a priest, but He had to resign of sexual activities. It's not inconsistent anyway.
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The hypocrisy of it all was one of the leading factors in the protestant revolution.
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yes, hypocrisy of Luther and others, though personal ambitions, greed of princes and kings wishing to take posessions of the church and subdue the church, not to mention lust of Henry VIII (and Luther as well) were more important.
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People should be allowed to follow Christ without also having to follow the crazy preachings of a morally backrupt, hypocritical Church.
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I guess everything You disagree with or are not able to understand is crazy.
Hypocritical? Catholics were and are dieing, also due to protestant persecutions, for their convictions.
Morally bankrupt? As if. RCC had, has and will have many great personalities that can be example for us.
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If the next pope were intellectually honest, he would call a synod with the protestants to rid the Catholic Church of its hypocritical crust that has been calcifying for millenia.
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So only protestants are intellectually honest.
Your bias and lack of respect for different opinions amaze me. While I disagree with some teachings of RCC,
I will always defend them against simple and unfair judgements.
Apolyton is doing its best to make a loyal Roman Catholic out of me, it seems.
When I came here, I was almost atheist.
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I AGREE WITH NED?!?
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Repent that sin.
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Heresson
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of frogs
Jun 2000
time: 06:32
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So are pink elephants to the drunk.
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believers are not drunk
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But we couldn't always do this. Are you telling me it was rational to believe in the purple space goat 500 years ago? 
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You missed my point which was that God is not material
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Let's say that it's an infinite, transcendent, purple space goat. Same argument applies.
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If it was infinite, transcendent, it wouldn't be purple, it wouldn't be space, it wouldn't be goat.
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 No. It just shows the poverty of your position.
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Rather poverty of your means of expression
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It's irrational to believe in Miracles, unless you directly witness them. It's always more likely that someone told a lie than that a miracle occurred. Hume proved this 250 years ago. I'm surprised you are still trying that one.
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Wasn't Hume a believer? I may be wrong.
Also, your point is simply: miracles are lies.
How are You so sure? Because You DON'T BELIEVE miracles can happen. You believe in laws of the universe, Laws are order. Order is someone's involvement.
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Who said that purple space goats were a scientific matter, any more than the trees in the park.
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You, by saying You can prove or disprove the alleged fact
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I'm sorry you feel that way, but you seem to like lecturing the rest of us
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Only when You're lecturing or offending me
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and it wouldn't be so bad but for the fact that your lectures are based on fairy stories. |
All our lifes are fairy stories. Life, love, music, art, it's all nonsence, it's all void.
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insane leaps of faith - yours is no better than anyone else's.
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A belief in lack of existance of God is a belief as well.
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