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:) Smiley is offline :) Smiley
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You can always download emulators such as Dosbox to play old games.

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And there's Colonization for Windows, too...

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hmm, the other problem is I don't actually have the game.

Is this abandon ware yet?

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IIRC it's in... you know:

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under my plane there's a bomb, about to hit those
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IIRC Diss has trouble breaking codes to that place.

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You mean the one with which you could ship gold without taxes, Pizarro? Getting fountain of youth with the Spanish is a must, otherwise you should've been playing the English ($$$ is nice, but in the end you need lots of pop to beat your way towards the independence).


Hmm, I think it was some spanish conquistador founding father, and it meant you got loot every time you burnt down an indian vilage. My memory is a little rusty though.....

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I think that was Cortes?

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Sid would probably prefer to create original new games, but it's what the fans want that matters. What could Sid possibly think of that could do better than Civ, Colonization, or SMAC? His own interstellar game? A SimEarth/ SimLife type game? (hint hint)

Pirates I have no interest in, and anything else by Sid isn't interesting enough for me to be aware of.

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Sid would probably prefer to create original new games, but it's what the fans want that matters. What could Sid possibly think of that could do better than Civ, Colonization, or SMAC? His own interstellar game? A SimEarth/ SimLife type game? (hint hint)



How about a game where you have to climb his giant and ever enlarging head?

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Pirates I have no interest in, and anything else by Sid isn't interesting enough for me to be aware of.


You mean you don't worship Sid every day for creating the greatest game ever... SimGolf?



I don't know, I'm sure he could come up with something new. I mean, I don't believe that it is impossible to create an original game these days. It's just that in terms of good business, I guess it is better to just milk a franchise that has proven itself than risk on a new concept.

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How about a game where you have to climb his giant and ever enlarging head?


Like the new Prince of Persia games, with acrobatic tricks to get from one crevice of his head to the next? I think we have a hit on our hands!

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But that was the best bit! Play the spanish, get that founding father guy (all you warmongers know which one I mean) and then you get more treasure than you can shake a stick at! Indians schmindians, any Col game has got to let me subjugate the inca and steal all their wealth


Yes but you play an alligned Imperial in Elite2+3 and trade in slaves So for you its the same thing.

In Elite2+3, i never trade in slaves - its not in my role playing abilities. And as i'd seen 'Little Big Horn'(and some other pro-native films) before playing Colonisation, i just found it difficult to play in the historicaly correct way - i never did finish the game because of that

As Brent said, if there had been the option of playing as the Native Americans, then i'd probably have seen it through to the (bitter) end

I think Fireaxis(or Sid) had said something about the possibility of a Colonisation2. I waiting for Pirates!(new version) to come out on xbox in the uk, and i'd also be interested in a new Colonisation.

Sid(mostly under the microprose label) has a wealth of classic games that it cant harm to update, atleast i hope thats the plan.

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I'd rather not see a sequel to colonization. I loved the game at the time and still do but I would rather see Firaxis try something new. "New" in the sense that Civilization and colonization where new and refeshing concepts at the time of release, 15 years ago. I find the fact that Firaxis now seems to fully rely on Sid's name and the old franchise from Microprose days disturbing. That remake strategy will keep things running for a while but to where? Civilization4? Civ5? Railroad Tycoon 4? F15 Strike Eagle 2010?

Likewise, the new & improved Pirates! isn't that new, it's a fancy and well done remake. However, it doesn't seem to add much if you played the original pirates on the Amiga. More 3D and ballroom dancing yes, but the concepts are almost the same from what I've read in the forum threads.

If I want a remake of colonization I can always get involved in some of the open source projects like Freecol http://www.freecol.org/

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IIRC it's in... you know:

home is not near me, for I am in a battle.
of fighters and bombers
the screams in the air around me come;
under my plane there's a bomb, about to hit those
dogs on the ground


stuka?

I'm not good at these riddles

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take the first word of each sentence quite a good poem all said and done.

@CapTVK, i hear what your saying, and from that viewpoint i would agree.

The other viewpoint is that there are plenty of companies out there making new types of games, or just rehashing the same themes as is most often the case.

I read a few threads in various places that were discussing lack of innovation etc, and i'm sort of the opinion that it is much harder to come up with completely new and origonal idea's that work well and are succesfull these days.

Partly because i suppose, in a fundemental way, you can only interact with a graphic+sound effect(+now rumble pack) in so many ways.

Think of all the different types of games you've played over the years, and think of the ones that really stick out in your mind as being the cream of the crop.

Civ is definately in that list. And i guess for many of us games like Pirates!,F15(although i preferd Solo Flight),Silent Hunter,Xcom etc are probably in that list also. They just happen to be under the Microprose label.

I think i can live with seeing remakes of the great classic games of compting.

What distresses me more in seeing a whole raft of FPS military clones that get spewn out in a seemingly ever increasing rate. Does each new one add anything really great to the genre? Why are the games companies so obsessed with all this war stuff other than they are forced to produce whatever sells best, to recoup the millions each one costs to make. Why are we gamers seemingly happy to lap them up? I dont know.

Imho I could live with a Colonisation2(or even 3 maybe), or Civ4 etc in our particular games market as it currently stands. Just no more war based FPS please

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Yeah Colonisation 2 would rule, even if it isn't original.

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take the first word of each sentence quite a good poem all said and done.

@CapTVK, i hear what your saying, and from that viewpoint i would agree.

The other viewpoint is that there are plenty of companies out there making new types of games, or just rehashing the same themes as is most often the case.

I read a few threads in various places that were discussing lack of innovation etc, and i'm sort of the opinion that it is much harder to come up with completely new and origonal idea's that work well and are succesfull these days.

Partly because i suppose, in a fundemental way, you can only interact with a graphic+sound effect(+now rumble pack) in so many ways.

Think of all the different types of games you've played over the years, and think of the ones that really stick out in your mind as being the cream of the crop.

Civ is definately in that list. And i guess for many of us games like Pirates!,F15(although i preferd Solo Flight),Silent Hunter,Xcom etc are probably in that list also. They just happen to be under the Microprose label.

I think i can live with seeing remakes of the great classic games of compting.

What distresses me more in seeing a whole raft of FPS military clones that get spewn out in a seemingly ever increasing rate. Does each new one add anything really great to the genre? Why are the games companies so obsessed with all this war stuff other than they are forced to produce whatever sells best, to recoup the millions each one costs to make. Why are we gamers seemingly happy to lap them up? I dont know.

Imho I could live with a Colonisation2(or even 3 maybe), or Civ4 etc in our particular games market as it currently stands. Just no more war based FPS please


oh yeah. , actually I already have that bookmarked.

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take the first word of each sentence quite a good poem all said and done.

@CapTVK, i hear what your saying, and from that viewpoint i would agree.

The other viewpoint is that there are plenty of companies out there making new types of games, or just rehashing the same themes as is most often the case.

I read a few threads in various places that were discussing lack of innovation etc, and i'm sort of the opinion that it is much harder to come up with completely new and original idea's that work well and are succesfull these days.

Partly because i suppose, in a fundemental way, you can only interact with a graphic+sound effect(+now rumble pack) in so many ways.




The discussion about what is original and what's not isn't new. You saw it the 8-bit days, the 16-bit days right up to now and beyond. I've thought about it as well and I still think you can come up with something that is good and "original" (this can also mean original in the sense of presentation and implementation of a familiar/old concept). While most games are clones. There also have been plenty of surprises throughout the years.

Because if it isn't it would mean that we've entered an era where Every song has been sung, every great novel has been written, every great painting has been painted, every great game has been coded .... In such an era there would still be plenty of games and other forms of art but it would be a creatively bankrupt society. Concentrating on controlling and recycling as much IP as it got its hands on.

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frighteningly, that last part of the paragraph, about the IP thing made me think of the power publishers and how they use+abuse developers IPs.

Maybe we are at that point right now? Or maybe we have always been?

Lots of creative stuff has been done with games, and continues thankfully(i quite like what the guys get upto at those indie development jams - i think one of the last ones i read was about seeing how many games the programmers could get out in x hrs that used only minimal ram(olden days ammounts like 48K), and featured as many sprites in the gameplay as possible etc.

still i just felt you came over a little strong in the no for Colonisation2(and other 'clasics') thing. If done well they shouldn't spoil the memmories of the origonals, and i was just hopeing to provide the perspective that comparitively to much of the new releases we get today, a re-visit to the oldies might feel like a breath of fresh air?

well i still give the april fool Colonisation2 a
I'd buy it if i could(and hope i could take the native americans side)

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damn, I can't get those zip files to work. anyone have any idea?

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yeah I did that, but then I downloaded this other thing that was linked to the right of the manual, and it appears to work now. No time to play though, I have to go to work soon.

edit: now I need to learn how to play, I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Actually, I did acquire SimGolf as part of a package of four games just to get SimCity3000, but so far haven't tried SimGolf.

Maybe Sid could come up with his own idea to do something that goes along with Colo and Civ, but not really a sequel to either? I guess just any other sort of TBS. Just not Dinosaurs. A Sim City TBS, a TBS exclusively for the ancient world, an exclusively Biblical TBS...

Personally I'd like to see a Jumpman 2, with basically the same level of graphics as the original, with an editor. Maybe Sid's next big thing should be a Pong clone... A Super Breakout game with an editor would be cool too... Pacman... a new In Search of the Most Amazing Thing... Tetris but with fivesquare blocks...

Leave original new games to original new designers.

Maybe Sid should work with LucasArts, or someone who does Trek, LotR, or Dune games. Electronic LotR Risk would be nice... MesoAmerican Risk...

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I would like to see Firaxis try their hand at an intergalatic civilisation TBS game. Goodness knows MoOIII didn't improve the genre, and Galactic Civ is boring.

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I would like to see Firaxis try their hand at an intergalatic civilisation TBS game. Goodness knows MoOIII didn't improve the genre, and Galactic Civ is boring.


Nah ... I don't see how an intergalactic Civ TBS is going to be any different from Civ or SMAC. Perhaps slightly more freeform mechanics, but why not let them work on one fantastic game rather than splitting their TBS efforts in half?

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sim golf . that game wasn't too bad. It's just too bad I got bored of it after about 8 hours of play.

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Yeah, SimGolf was interesting for some time, but quickly got boring... have they released a patch so you can play tournament against other human players? If they have, then I might want to try to install the game again

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Let's not sully the good name of Colonisation by making it share a thread with SimGolf.

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I'm trying to play colonization, but it's difficult with no manual. And I admit, the graphics look a little bit too dated . I don't want to be one of these graphics prudes. It's just hard to make out the terrain. Perhaps I need to change my screen resolution. I get these popups that tell me that this isn't a good place to settle, but all the terrain looks the same to me.

 
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