05-04-2005 03:21									#1
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Seeing as how this game just came out for Xbox, I decided I'd give it a try, so I rented it from Blockbuster for 99 cents (using a coupon I had).

I will test it out, although I'm planning to enjoy it more thoroughly when it is sufficiently dark.

This game has some awesome features that should already be mainstream, such as the ability to play coop via Xbox Live; that is, two players playing coop together, but each having an entire screen for himself (Halo 2 should have had this )

Anyone else have this?

	05-04-2005 03:32									#2
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I played it on the PC when it first came out. I wasn't impressed at all. I won't play it again.

Splinter Cell is out though I haven't had a chance to play it yet, but I'm planning to on my days off.

	05-04-2005 05:27									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Verto I will test it out, although I'm planning to enjoy it more thoroughly when it is sufficiently dark.

Dont worry, its plenty dark.

	05-04-2005 05:30									#4
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I meant, until it is dark outside, so I don't have sunlight pouring in.

	05-04-2005 05:33									#5
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I know.

	05-04-2005 05:38									#6
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LOL NO YOU DIDNT PWN3D!!!

	05-04-2005 05:45									#7
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OMG I WAS PWN3D!!!!!elevenmillionsevens

	05-04-2005 05:48									#8
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You bet you were.

Doom 3's method of handling multiplayer via Xbox Live is not as refined as I'd hoped; it took me quite some time to actually get in a game, and when I did I had to "spectate" for 8 minutes, and was never able to join in. I switched to another game, and was able to play for a round until I got stuck in the Scoreboard screen.

	05-04-2005 15:43									#9
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Get used to being owned by your torch.

	07-04-2005 00:37									#10
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I rented it last night. Can't say I'm impressed so far. Granted, the port is amazing. The graphics are top notch. That said, it doesn't look better overall than Chronicles of Riddick, except the monsters of course. The gameplay is same old same old, been there done that. Halo 2 is a lot more fun. When Doom 3 came out, I was dying to play the game. But now the dust has settled and I don't really care anymore. The power of hype...

	07-04-2005 01:59									#11
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I agree, it is kind of mediocre.

	07-04-2005 02:09									#12
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So was/is HL2.

	07-04-2005 02:27									#13
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I think HL2 was pretty good, and certainly better than Doom3.

	07-04-2005 14:49									#14
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I think Asher is still actually believing that some people took his ridicilous propaganda about HL2 being the worst FPS MP ever seriously without seeing any connection with his praising and hyping of Halo2 at the exactly same time...

Poor Asher, deluding himself.

	07-04-2005 18:53									#15
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When did I ever say anything remotely like it was the "worst FPS MP ever"?

The delusion here is apparently not coming from me...

	08-04-2005 00:44									#16
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Though I am sure you didn't use those words you do often overstate for effect when discussing your views.

One must pay the price for the use of stylish hyperbole.

	08-04-2005 01:11									#17
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I paid money for HL2 and feel ripped off. The game was boring and average with invisible walls, was overly linear, with the same style of MP I've had for years.

It's overrated.

	08-04-2005 01:42									#18
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I rented it last night. Can't say I'm impressed so far. Granted, the port is amazing. The graphics are top notch. That said, it doesn't look better overall than Chronicles of Riddick, except the monsters of course. The gameplay is same old same old, been there done that. Halo 2 is a lot more fun. When Doom 3 came out, I was dying to play the game. But now the dust has settled and I don't really care anymore. The power of hype...

I've never played or seen Chronicles of Riddick, so I can't comment on that.

Halo 2 is a lot more fun in multiplayer, but Doom has a much better single player experience. I would never buy Doom for its MP, just like I would not have bought Halo 2 for its single player.

	08-04-2005 01:52									#19
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quote: I've never played or seen Chronicles of Riddick, so I can't comment on that.

You should try it, its great! But don't buy it, rent it instead: its a short game.

quote: Halo 2 is a lot more fun in multiplayer, but Doom has a much better single player experience. I would never buy Doom for its MP, just like I would not have bought Halo 2 for its single player.

I wouldn't know, I'm not on Live. From what I've seen so far, Halo 2's single player is better IMO than Doom's. Doom 3 is an old school shooter and, basically, I don't care for those anymore. Like I said, been there, done that. Halo 2 has more gameplay diversity, it's not always the same thing, over and over again...

	08-04-2005 15:23									#20
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quote: Though I am sure you didn't use those words you do often overstate for effect when discussing your views.

Which is why I didn't quote them in "s. Do you know the difference between

quote: about HL2 being the worst FPS MP ever

and

quote: "worst FPS MP ever"

, Asher? Stop trying to twist my words.

quote: The delusion here is apparently not coming from me...

You spammed the BOTH OG and OT forums here with your, well, quite frankly, hype spam which dissed HL2 and hyped Halo2. It was hilarious when you were asked to elaborate what made HL2 so bad (IT WAS FILLED WITH INVISIBLE WALLS! ... where? ... well, I ran 500m out of the combat area and climbed on 4 boxes and from there made a hard jump on some wall, just looking for one...) or what made Halo2 so special.

You were like an annoying spambot back then.

quote: It's (HL2) overrated.

Yes, well that is pretty obvious considering it's by no means revolutionary and it was being portrayed as such... altough I've honestly played neither of those games

quote: I rented it last night. Can't say I'm impressed so far. Granted, the port is amazing. The graphics are top notch. That said, it doesn't look better overall than Chronicles of Riddick, except the monsters of course. The gameplay is same old same old, been there done that. Halo 2 is a lot more fun. When Doom 3 came out, I was dying to play the game. But now the dust has settled and I don't really care anymore. The power of hype...

Ha, I told you so It's a mediocre game at best.

	08-04-2005 22:09									#21
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There is no difference between saying I thought it was the worst game ever, and "worst game ever".

I'm not twisting your words, you're twisting mine.

Halo 2 is still a way better game than HL2, if only for multiplayer.

And I have gone into details of why I'm not a fan of HL2, and why Halo 2 is more fun.

The "invisible walls" comment was made at a time where I spent an hour trying to go where I thought I was able to go to proceed (since the hole at the top of this mound was big enough to fit). Thinking it was one of those incredibly lame, boring box-moving puzzles that just showcase the half-assed physics system, I spent an hour building a path up to the opening, only to find out there was an invisible wall there...

	08-04-2005 22:13									#22
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For what it's worth, both HL2 and Halo 2 use the same physics system (Havok). HL2 made it a gimick and utilitized it more.

	08-04-2005 22:34									#23
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quote: Thinking it was one of those incredibly lame, boring box-moving puzzles that just showcase the half-assed physics system, I spent an hour building a path up to the opening, only to find out there was an invisible wall there...

Well yeh, I feel your pain. Those suck. Unfortunately scenes like that seem to be also very good at getting points from the reviewers with hard deadlines to meet. I remember how there was a gliding scene at the very start of FarCry, how useless the scene was (waste of time basically, it was boring to glide since you had very little control of it), and how obvious it was that it was directed to the reviewers to show the best parts of the engine. It worked, too. Despite FarCry had a bad plot, mediocre AI, horrible MP and SP was way too short it scored upper 90s in every gaming magazine which I read about it. Quickly after that I stopped reading gaming magazines and their game reviews, realising how much influence hype had gotten... hyped games like Black & White and Doom3 sell outrageous amounts of copies altough they suck and you get bored to them within a day.

quote: And I have gone into details of why I'm not a fan of HL2, and why Halo 2 is more fun.

Yes. Many, many times.

	08-04-2005 23:20									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I spent an hour building a path up to the opening, only to find out there was an invisible wall there...

You shouldn't have eaten that last chocolate muffin and maybe you'd have been able to fit through the gap.

	09-04-2005 03:25									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Asher For what it's worth, both HL2 and Halo 2 use the same physics system (Havok). HL2 made it a gimick and utilitized it more.

It ceases to be a gimmick when it's integrated into every aspect of the gameplay. Take Havok out of HL2 and the entire game would be unplayable. Take Havok out of Halo 2 and nothing changes except maybe 2 barrels, one box, and a warthog sliding down a hill (all cosmetic things).

	09-04-2005 03:53									#26
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike It ceases to be a gimmick when it's integrated into every aspect of the gameplay. Take Havok out of HL2 and the entire game would be unplayable. Take Havok out of Halo 2 and nothing changes except maybe 2 barrels, one box, and a warthog sliding down a hill (all cosmetic things).

It is a gimmick.

Haven't you played the Jurassic Park game with the similar physics many years ago? It's just as much a gimick now as it was then.

It didn't add anything valuable to the gameplay. The physics are still glitchy and half-assed, making me wish they focused their time on other things. The first time I threw an object at someone, I threw a TV at someone's head. They didn't even stop talking. I rolled my eyes right there.

The gravity gun was annoying to use. It's one of those "cool" things at first, but just gets annoying and impractical to the point where no one would use it. solution? Make them use it.

HL2 is a mediocre game at best.

	09-04-2005 04:30									#27
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You clearly didn't play the game on hard. It also seems to me that you are just dismissing something because you couldn't figure out how to use it correctly. The gravity gun has a single button weapon switch that is totally separate from the other guns for a reason.

Did you ever use a metal table as a shield? Did you ever grab grenades out of the air and throw them back at enemies? You saying that the GG in HL2 is a gimmick is the same as me saying that vehicles in your precious Halo2 are a gimmick because if you wanted to you could walk everywhere, or saying that stealth in Splinter Cell is a gimmick because if you wanted you could just blast everything.

Besides, we both know that you immediately dismissed this game as crappy because you were unlucky enough to have that sound studdering bug when you first played. You hated this game before even giving it a chance.

	09-04-2005 05:32									#28
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I gave it a chance.

After waiting 8 hours to ****ing install it, playing it for 2 weeks with a STUTTERING bug (not even a SOUND stuttering, everything did), after waiting so many years for it, they REALLY made a game that needs a lot of work.

Even after the stuttering was fixed, I had no desire to come back and finish the game. It was just boring.

	09-04-2005 15:17									#29
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I agree with Mike; you are punishing the game for your initial experience. Hard to shake those first impressions.

	09-04-2005 20:04									#30
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It's not my fault they don't care about polish in their game. Says a lot, actually.