06-04-2005 16:09									#1
	Florida gun law change Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4415135.stm

quote: A law letting people in Florida kill in self-defence on the street without first trying to flee an attacker has been passed by Florida politicians. Florida law already allows people to shoot a potential attacker in their home, place of work or car. But until now, courts insisted that anyone confronted in a public place should first try to run away. Critics of the law say it will bring a Wild West attitude to Florida - magnet to hundreds of thousands of tourists. One critic said all the measure would do is sell more guns and turn the state into a modern version of the OK Corral. The bill has been heavily backed by the National Rifle Association, the lobbying group which defends the rights of Americans to carry guns. Dennis Baxley, the Republican sponsor of the Stand Your Ground bill said it was about meeting force with force. "If I'm attacked, I should not have to retreat," he said. The bill has already passed the Florida Senate and is expected to be signed into law by Governor Jeb Bush, the president's brother.

Hmm, can allowing people to shoot others more freely be a good thing? Discuss! Nicely mind

	06-04-2005 16:12									#2
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You want a piece of me, huh punk?? Then you have to deal with my friends Smith & Wesson as well! Go ahead punk, make my day!

	06-04-2005 17:47									#3
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I agree with the law in general. Why should you have to turn your back to your assailant? If you are being attacked with deadly force (which makes your use of a gun legal for self defense in the first place) then it makes sense to get rid of the language which forces you to attempt to flee first, as in some cases one might have to forfeit their life in order to meet the provisions of the law.

	06-04-2005 18:18									#4
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In related news, Michael Schaivo conceded today that his wife Terri had indeed been conscious these last 15 years, but that she had been trying to attack him the whole time.

	06-04-2005 18:22									#5
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quote: The bill has been heavily backed by the National Rifle Association,

Who would have thunked??!!
Darn, these buggers keep surprising us, don't they.

	06-04-2005 18:42									#6
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Come to beautiful Florida. Hunting season for punks is all year around. You donīt even need a license!

	06-04-2005 18:45									#7
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Could they not just bring in law mandating every Floridian to wear a target ?


Should make it much easier for those spontaneous Dodge City and Tombstone reenactments. And save a few tourist lives...

	06-04-2005 18:55									#8
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FPS gets a whole different meaning now.

	06-04-2005 19:01									#9
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quote: Originally posted by alva FPS

C'est quoi, cet emission ?

	06-04-2005 19:40									#10
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First Person Shooter.

	06-04-2005 20:01									#11
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one thing to remember is that many americans take fire-arms training camps etc. So i'm kind of thinking if you've got well trained and disciplined people with guns, then maybe the only people who need to be afraid are the criminals?

	06-04-2005 20:23									#12
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My state's politicians are such whores.

	06-04-2005 20:25									#13
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor one thing to remember is that many americans take fire-arms training camps etc. So i'm kind of thinking if you've got well trained and disciplined people with guns, then maybe the only people who need to be afraid are the criminals?

A lady in the library decided she was afraid of me the other day, because I was standing next to her while I was looking for an encylopedia. She got belligerent and hostile and claimed I looked just like the guy who raped her a few weeks ago. I'm so glad that now she'll be able to shoot me first.

	06-04-2005 20:35									#14
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ok there is that small worry.

Surely crazy people cant get a liscense easily? there must be checks on firearm carrying peoples stability/mental health etc?

your going to tell me no arn't you

	06-04-2005 20:56									#15
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I have no idea how easy it is for crazy people to get a gun. I've never tried to get one.

edit: IIRC, we also have a concealed carry law.

	06-04-2005 21:26									#16
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quote: Florida law already allows people to shoot a potential attacker in their home, place of work or car.

what I find scary is how do you define "potential attacker"? '

'Oh no, he looked at me scarily - self defense!!'

Or as South Park so well satirised - "IT'S COMING RIGHT AT US!!"

	06-04-2005 21:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor one thing to remember is that many americans take fire-arms training camps etc. So i'm kind of thinking if you've got well trained and disciplined people with guns, then maybe the only people who need to be afraid are the criminals?

What percentage of Americans do you suppose take these "fire-arms training camps"?

	06-04-2005 22:08									#18
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OMG, there are terrorist training camps in the desert of texas ?

NUKE EM !!!

	06-04-2005 22:20									#19
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Che, you might want to leave Florida, like right now ... as in out the door this very minute. See, the rest of the Union has just passed a law outlawing Florida. Bombing begins in 5 minutes.

You Texan 'polytubbies might want to start packing now, too. Your state is next...

	06-04-2005 22:23									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Demerzel what I find scary is how do you define "potential attacker"?

Possibly if they have a weapon and are threatening to kill you?

	07-04-2005 00:56									#21
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor one thing to remember is that many americans take fire-arms training camps etc. So i'm kind of thinking if you've got well trained and disciplined people with guns, then maybe the only people who need to be afraid are the criminals?

I've never taken a training camp, nor has anyone I known taken a training camp.

Though I only know 2 other people besides myself who own guns (most people do not own guns contrary to what Europeans believe).

I own one, but I also am not a dumbass, and know how to shoot one (I qualified on one in the navy). My friend owns one. He served in the Marines. And my brother owns one. He has no military experience, but he's tested his gun many times with cans out in the desert, and he's very smart.

	07-04-2005 00:59									#22
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We have several guns in our home, and my stepdad trained me on them (use, safety) as soon as I was old enough not to be knocked on my butt by recoil.

	07-04-2005 01:16									#23
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quote: Originally posted by alva FPS gets a whole different meaning now.

Floridian Person Shooting

	07-04-2005 01:21									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I agree with the law in general. Why should you have to turn your back to your assailant? If you are being attacked with deadly force (which makes your use of a gun legal for self defense in the first place) then it makes sense to get rid of the language which forces you to attempt to flee first, as in some cases one might have to forfeit their life in order to meet the provisions of the law.

It's a good law. Why require you to flee when a guy has a gun in his hand is pointing it at you. All that would do is get you shot in the back!

	07-04-2005 01:23									#25
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You need them mad skillz what lets you shoot wit the gun pointed back over your head while diving behind the dumpster for cover.

	07-04-2005 01:48									#26
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pootie tang could do it.

	07-04-2005 02:44									#27
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How many people will be shot for threatening decent citizens with their pigmented attitude?

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Possibly if they have a weapon and are threatening to kill you?

Not all "attackers" have weapons (unless hands count), and they don't always want to kill you.

	07-04-2005 07:34									#29
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quote: A lady in the library decided she was afraid of me the other day, because I was standing next to her while I was looking for an encylopedia. She got belligerent and hostile and claimed I looked just like the guy who raped her a few weeks ago. I'm so glad that now she'll be able to shoot me first.

It's your fault for looking like a rapist.

quote: pootie tang could do it.

Pootie don't carry no gun, fool.

	07-04-2005 07:38									#30
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They shouldn't be allowed to kill them
Shooting them in the arm or leg would be enough to get away I would think.