08-04-2005 20:18									#1
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What the hell? Who invited this monster?

He's under an EU travel ban--does this mean they can arrest him for being there? God, I hope so.

His presence is a slap in the face to JP2.

	08-04-2005 20:20									#2
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I heard he wasn't invited but just showed up.

	08-04-2005 20:23									#3
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But he was officially greeted by a Bishop.

I doubt a head of state can just "show up" unexpectedly. And if he did, he shouldn't have been accomodated.

	08-04-2005 20:24									#4
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He's under an EU travel ban, but since the Vatican is an independent country Italy is required under some treaty or another to grant him access.

	08-04-2005 20:26									#5
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Yeah, the Vatican is not part of the EU.

	08-04-2005 20:27									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov But he was officially greeted by a Bishop. I doubt a head of state can just "show up" unexpectedly. And if he did, he shouldn't have been accomodated.

I agree. I can't/won't defend the catholic church and their decisions.

	08-04-2005 20:27									#7
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Are you sure about that? I wonder how independent Vatican City really is. For instance, Monaco is not completely independent of France. Maybe, they can catch him on the way out an deport him to Antarctical or something.

	08-04-2005 20:30									#8
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I wonder if the Pope's good buddy Pinochet made the effort too?

	08-04-2005 20:32									#9
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What if Vatican City were an EU member? Maybe it should be the capital... And expand its boundaries again to include all of Rome.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov What the hell? Who invited this monster? He's under an EU travel ban--does this mean they can arrest him for being there? God, I hope so. His presence is a slap in the face to JP2.

The Pope would have forgiven him any sins and tried to help him mend his ways, like any good Christian would. After all this was the Pope who befriended the guy who shot him.

Love and forgiveness, that's what Christianity is about.

	08-04-2005 20:38									#11
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You should forgive people who have harmed you personally, not necessarily those who have harmed others as freely.

	08-04-2005 20:38									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Brent What if Vatican City were an EU member? Maybe it should be the capital... And expand its boundaries again to include all of Rome.

Aside from pissing off non-Christians, what would moving the EU capital to the Vatican accomplish? What's wrong with Brussels?

	08-04-2005 20:41									#13
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Oh, nothing else. Really it should be moved to Copenhagen or maybe Vejle.

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Copenhagen??Why Copenhagen???

EDIT: 8 or 9 posts to go from Mugabe and the Pope to relocating the EU capital, nice work!!

	08-04-2005 20:48									#15
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Just because I'm part Danish. I guess Sweden's in the EU too? Visby would be good. But If Norway were in the union, Stavanger would be the ultimate capital.

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Think about the corruption!

It should be somewhere in the middle...

Of course, if we could get the Forbidden City from the chinese...

	08-04-2005 20:49									#17
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Being 'part of' would indeed be a nice start.
We started it dammit!!

	08-04-2005 21:28									#18
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Screw the Vatican, Italy should nab him anyway.

	08-04-2005 21:36									#19
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It should be noted that the Vatican is no friend of Mugabe. The archbishop in Zimbabwe has gone so far as to suggest a people-power revolution.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Screw the Vatican, Italy should nab him anyway.

	08-04-2005 21:46									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Screw the Vatican, Italy should nab him anyway.

Wow... such a fan of national soveriegnty you are . I guess that means EU countries should nab people like Kissinger in the US to have trials for them

	08-04-2005 22:00									#22
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quote: Originally posted by MikeH The Pope would have forgiven him any sins and tried to help him mend his ways, like any good Christian would. After all this was the Pope who befriended the guy who shot him. Love and forgiveness, that's what Christianity is about.

Mugabe has not acknowledged his crimes, much less repented of them. Forgiveness should be given to those who seek it. While he continues to be a murdering totalitarian bastard, he should be shunned. Especially since JP2 didn't think to kindly of him.

It's just very disappointing of the Vatican. Somebody dropped the ball by letting this ******* in. Especially considering the recent "election" in Zimbabwe. The last thing needed as anything that helps give him legitimacy.

	08-04-2005 22:05									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Wow... such a fan of national soveriegnty you are . I guess that means EU countries should nab people like Kissinger in the US to have trials for them

I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders.

IIRC, the Vatican doesn't have it's own airport. So I would assume Mugabe would have to travel outside of the Vatican to get his flight. The second his car leaves the Vatican, the Italian authorities should swoop in and nab him.

	08-04-2005 22:08									#24
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Boris, if we stopped eating with sinners, then we would have to leave this world.

If he showed up uninvited, then yes, the Vatican would feel obligated to try to accomodate him, because it is an opportunity for them to influence him. If they shut the door, then Mugabe's not going to take that as a rebuke.

Secondly, as for the Vatican being part of the EU... /me shudders.

	08-04-2005 22:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Secondly, as for the Vatican being part of the EU... /me shudders.

We are agreed.

	08-04-2005 23:07									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders.

But would the US be ok with, say, Mexican police coming into New Mexico and seizing people? I doubt it.

	08-04-2005 23:16									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I seem to recall that the U.S. has on several occasions actually gone into other countries to seize people. So naturally we shouldn't object to countries seizing wanted people within their own borders. IIRC, the Vatican doesn't have it's own airport. So I would assume Mugabe would have to travel outside of the Vatican to get his flight. The second his car leaves the Vatican, the Italian authorities should swoop in and nab him.

I'm pretty sure the Vatican has a treaty with Italy preventing that.

	08-04-2005 23:45									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, the Vatican is not part of the EU.

We should invade, occupy and annex them!

	08-04-2005 23:55									#29
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Mugabe is a Catholic, however awful his practice is.

	09-04-2005 00:21									#30
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It would be nice if Mexico would arrest the illegal immigrants that keep running from them...