10-04-2005 05:53									#61
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They aren't dropping stages on Canada. They'll be dropping whatever may drop over open ocean in international waters.

The closest object is the Hibernia platform and it is a mile outside of the impact zone. Not only would they have to be wrong in calculating the impact zone, but the freekin' thing would have to pick one spot out of a hell of a lot more than 20,000 to do any damage.

	10-04-2005 05:58									#62
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By sheer luck, I have discovered that Canada has been hit by identified rocket debris twice, once in 1964 and once in 1978.

For comparison, Wisconsin, Kansas and Texas have also been hit twice, Alaska, North Dakota, and Nebraska once.

Both Canadian hits were Soviet in origin.

http://www.reentrynews.com/recovered.html

	10-04-2005 06:01									#63
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Forgive me for not wanting to work, one mile away from such a impact.

Why should I ask the Hibernia workers to do the same?

	10-04-2005 06:04									#64
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It looks like Angola won the impact sweepstakes with three confirmed hits.

	10-04-2005 06:05									#65
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...or we did, if you count all the states together.

	10-04-2005 06:07									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Forgive me for not wanting to work, one mile away from such a impact. Why should I ask the Hibernia workers to do the same?

It's more than a mile away from the impact. It's a mile away from the zone in which an impact could be expected.

	10-04-2005 06:10									#67
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You shouldn't drive on the Prairies, Ben.

This is flyover country. The airliners are allowed to jettison the toilets. You might get hit by a frozen ****.

	10-04-2005 06:23									#68
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Here's the skinny from Lobbyist Land:

The oil companies that own the platforms were, as of Friday, furiously lobbying the DoD to stop or move the splashdown site to someplace far away from the platforms. There is a full-court press to make sure this doesn't happen. I was sitting in on some of the calls Friday afternoon....

	10-04-2005 06:34									#69
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Its and unnecessary danger. There is a heck of lot of empty ocean out there such that a minor deviation in course would mean they could be far enough away from the platform to avoid the entire issue.


An expected impact zone that include locations within a mile seems unnecessarily close. Heck I don't think they would even allow a normal ship within that range. ( I know that the FPSO has an exclusion zone but am not sure about a GBS)

and while this is international waters as it is almost 200 miles out, it is within Canada's EEZ and Canada does have important economic assests in the area. Hibernia alone pumps about 200,000 barrels a day.

To me its pretty simple. If this location is not absolutely necessary, you move it a little

	10-04-2005 06:35									#70
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch Here's the skinny from Lobbyist Land: The oil companies that own the platforms were, as of Friday, furiously lobbying the DoD to stop or move the splashdown site to someplace far away from the platforms. There is a full-court press to make sure this doesn't happen. I was sitting in on some of the calls Friday afternoon....

How large is the impact zone? That's the detail I am wondering about. 10 mile radius? 100 mile radius?

	10-04-2005 06:36									#71
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oh and 250 million ?? thats a garbage number. Even if you assume 5 days of lost production thats only a million barrels

	10-04-2005 06:40									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber An expected impact zone that include locations within a mile seems unnecessarily close. Heck I don't think they would even allow a normal ship within that range. ( I know that the FPSO has an exclusion zone but am not sure about a GBS)

How close is too close? They do the math and figure where it could reasonably fall. Nothing is in that area. They should now extend it? What? 100 miles? 1000 miles? You never know when things could go really wrong and the thing blast off toward Chile. Might want to just stop launching rockets. On second thought, we might want to slip a few payements to ensure that Ottawa is ground zero for an evernt.

	10-04-2005 06:47									#73
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I think we should build a $500 billion dollar system of GIANT LASERS in space and in the air to defend our sovereign airspace...

	10-04-2005 07:15									#74
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"Yea, well Canada keeps wearing that outrageously short skirt, she is clearly asking for it."-Shi

	10-04-2005 07:39									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi It's hard for the yanks to piss me off enough to side with all the canucks. But this takes the cake! Why don't the Americans launch their 'classified' payload over American airspace?

Because it's supposed to go into a particular orbit and so HAS to be launched along a particular trajectory?

	10-04-2005 08:35									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Because it's supposed to go into a particular orbit and so HAS to be launched along a particular trajectory?

It doesn't have to be launched, period.

	10-04-2005 08:46									#77
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I thought Hibernia was Ireland.

	10-04-2005 08:55									#78
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It's near Newfoundland.

Newfoundland is just like Ireland, but trapped in a timewarp and sent back 50 or so years.

	10-04-2005 09:08									#79
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I hope that the Air Force will share the risk analysis with the Canadians but it would set a bad precedent to change the course even an inch due to irrational fears. We've dropped stages along that flight path before, as I understand. We've even got a rocket tracking station on Newfoundland.

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	10-04-2005 10:38									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Why don't we put a surcharge of $250 million on all Canadian students attending American medical schools?

For the last ****ing time, I'm not in medical school.

	10-04-2005 10:54									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Seeker It's near Newfoundland. Newfoundland is just like Ireland, but trapped in a timewarp and sent back 50 or so years.

And much, much colder. I froze my ass off at that place.

	10-04-2005 10:54									#83
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse For the last ****ing time, I'm not in medical school.

But you wanted to, right?

	10-04-2005 11:13									#84
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse For the last ****ing time, I'm not in medical school.

Isn't that the only reason people go to Johns Hopkins?



ACK!

	10-04-2005 15:25									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin But you wanted to, right?

Yes. You caught me. My intense love fror the biological sciences and the urge to memorise the names of hundreds of tiny pieces of the human bodywere stifled when I was forced to do physics.

	10-04-2005 17:28									#87
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd It doesn't have to be launched, period.

	10-04-2005 18:13									#88
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Why does Canada always seem to fill its positions of power with complete ****ing pussies? I know there are real men up there; why don't you all give out-of-work NHL players at shot at leadership?

Or how about this real man?

	10-04-2005 18:14									#89
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You're right. We should just let you put our guys in danger for no good reason and not complain.

Send the ****ing thing another 20 miles east. That way everything will be cool.

	10-04-2005 18:16									#90
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How can a man who kicked the **** out of a jarhead defend this pantywaist BS?