10-04-2005 13:41									#31
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it gets worse and worse

	10-04-2005 13:52									#32
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how worse?

My parents neighbour died recently. He lived there with his mother throughout my childhood, never married, more than 60 years he was there. I knew him - he had a car from the 1940's in mint condition that he only drove on Sundays.

After his mother died, our neighbours found out he kept a lot of porn in the house and he was suspected of showing some of it to their boys. It wasn't clear if it was accidental or not. The boys were told to stay away from his house.

But they weren't told to stop riding their bikes in the street, the parents kept helping the old guy out with his trash cans and stuff as he got older. The neighbours didn't get together and decide to drive him out and burn his house down.

*shrug* Some sort of civility and practicalness seems to have been lost in society today, especially over paedos and the like.

	10-04-2005 13:58									#33
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...I thought they were already going to Hell, if you believed in it?

	10-04-2005 13:58									#34
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quote: Everybody knew if you went jogging with Brother Roberts in the National Park he was going to chase you

Bad

quote: anyone who went jogging with Brother Roberts probably risked getting molested and then the boy got bashed or razzed by the other kids at school for being such an idiot

worse

quote: Boys who regularly went jogging were the subject of deep suspicion for fag tendencies and got teased about that. Some of them probably were gay.

awful

quote: *shrug* Some sort of civility and practicalness seems to have been lost in society today, especially over paedos and the like.

pedophiles have no place in society other than to be purged from society.

	10-04-2005 14:04									#35
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paedophiles don't do the things they do on purpose. They are ****ed in the brain. We shouldn't treat them any worse than other psychotic people. They belong in a mental institution, not prison.

	10-04-2005 16:20									#36
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Good point

	10-04-2005 16:50									#37
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Most paedophiles don't do anything. As distasteful as their thoughts are, we don't throw people in jai lfor thought crimes, let alone have them killed. Yet. Actual child molesters though? Go fkin' nuts.

	10-04-2005 17:23									#38
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Lynch him!



Grab your torch and pitchfork!

	10-04-2005 17:27									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse We had child molesters in my youth. Everybody knew if you went jogging with Brother Roberts in the National Park he was going to chase you People didn't freak out about it then. I don't know why they do now.

Hell, yes. I had teachers like that.

One burly lad in my year fell while playing football, and the teacher was a bit overly-enthusiastic in rubbing his bruised areas. The kid just give him a peach of a left hook straight in the mouth and decked him. Naturally we all just fell about in hysterics. It was hilarious.

It all got hushed up, of course.

	10-04-2005 17:41									#40
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Right, we had the same practice. Everyone knew who the 'fan of kids was' in the area, so it went on few years, school notified everyone home with notes 'candy man is cruising in your neighbourhoods, know where your kids are at all times' kind of stuff. We didn't take it that seriously, after all we knew who the candy man was, because he wasn't too discreet about it. He offered beers and sex magazines, cigarettes adn stuff like that to young boys, to attract their attention.

Then one time he grabbed someone in the groin area, and that dude ran off and told everyone, that the candy man grabbed him, and then everyone told their friends, and soon about 24509874 big brothers came and beat the hell out of the candy man at a time. Man he had a bad year, I reckon he got beaten every other day by someone else than the last time. EVeryone had it in them to go and make sure 'to stay away from my brother!'. He got beaten so many times that he actually moved.

The last time I heard about it was few years after that, he got stabbed in his home, by someone whose kid he molested.

	10-04-2005 18:12									#41
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There was an older man in our town who ran various kids classes. He gave dancing lessons and he offered a sort of mock indian tribe for boys. My mother enrolled me in both. In the indian club we had to make our own loin clothes, and then we learned indian dances and chants. At the end of each class he'd give us a mock spanking. He'd have us lie across his lap, then he'd rub his hand across our buttocks and give a mock slap on the butt. Our mothers made us go to this thing. I don't think they quite understood what was going on.

	10-04-2005 20:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I brought this kinda thing up in a thread before and i was shot to hell. You hate the folks that do that do this and now **** it dont rehabilitate them i dont get it

It seems to be the modren trend to care more about the criminal than about the victim. It comes up all the time in the DP threads, especially from the Europeans. I maintain that it's impossible to rehabilitate most violent criminals, and even if some of them could be reformed the magnitude of their crimes makes it so they don't deserve the chance for rehabilitation. They didn't give their victims a second chance. Child rapists/murderers are one of the reasons why I'll never stop supporting the death penalty. I've found every argument for its abolition utterly unpersuasive. I don't understand how people can lobby against executing these monstrous criminals.

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I wonder if there is some evolutionary, instinctive foundation to paedophile impulses. Is it just mental problems warping sexual desire?

I have no doubt that at one time in our distant history, children were the number one food source of roaming, socially rejected males. Perhaps the dormant hunger for young flesh gets mixed up with sexuality.

It has been suggested that our long hair developed as protection against maurading hunters who bit the vulnerable spinal region at the base of the skull with canines inherited from some chimp like ancestor. This method would have been employed to instantly silence the victim from alerting help. We lost the teeth, but retained the hair. [Hair was a handy protection for children, but became a liability for fighting adult males - except those who developed the beneficial baldness mutation, which was too slow to become widespread, because humans developed the intelligence to cut hair].

Anyway, I question if paedophiles are truly mentally ill. Of course such behaviour is anti-social, but in the jungle, anything goes for the sake of survival.

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It's funny how no one ever makes the arguments about those who rape children that they do about those who rape adults. Adults are always asking for it or are vindicitive *****es who change their minds or didn't like the sex.

	10-04-2005 20:50									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela It has been suggested that our long hair developed as protection against maurading hunters who bit the vulnerable spinal region at the base of the skull with canines inherited from some chimp like ancestor.

Considering we evolved in Africa, and that long hair on Black people doesn't cover the back of the neck without chemical processing, I'd have to say this idea isn't really that smart.

	10-04-2005 20:54									#47
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's funny how no one ever makes the arguments about those who rape children that they do about those who rape adults. Adults are always asking for it or are vindicitive *****es who change their minds or didn't like the sex.

I feel the same hatred for a person who rapes and murders an adult as I do for a person who rapes and murders a child.

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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Lynch him! Grab your torch and pitchfork!

Isn't this the guy from the "USA" song?

	10-04-2005 21:19									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff It seems to be the modren trend to care more about the criminal than about the victim. It comes up all the time in the DP threads, especially from the Europeans. I maintain that it's impossible to rehabilitate most violent criminals, and even if some of them could be reformed the magnitude of their crimes makes it so they don't deserve the chance for rehabilitation. They didn't give their victims a second chance. Child rapists/murderers are one of the reasons why I'll never stop supporting the death penalty. I've found every argument for its abolition utterly unpersuasive. I don't understand how people can lobby against executing these monstrous criminals.

sunk cost I think.

you can only bury the dead, but you have to spend a bit more time on the still living. You know, arrest-trial-sentencing etc? Leads to recency/primacy for the accused to others other than the direct acquaintences of the victim.

I posted statistics for recidivism rates in sex offenders. Do you have something that would indicate they are incorrect? Or are they inapplicable in your opinion, ie, your statement is referring to those who are eternally incarcerated?

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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff It seems to be the modren trend to care more about the criminal than about the victim.

Re-read the posts by myself, Horse and the goog Doctor. Society has actually become far more damning of these things.

	10-04-2005 21:30									#51
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quote: Originally posted by asleepathewheel I posted statistics for recidivism rates in sex offenders. Do you have something that would indicate they are incorrect? Or are they inapplicable in your opinion, ie, your statement is referring to those who are eternally incarcerated?

They're inapplicable as far as my opinions on the DP. Hopefully these people would be imprisoned for life anyway. I think it's a waste of resources to keep them alive.

	10-04-2005 22:14									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Bkeela I wonder if there is some evolutionary, instinctive foundation to paedophile impulses. Is it just mental problems warping sexual desire? I have no doubt that at one time in our distant history, children were the number one food source of roaming, socially rejected males. Perhaps the dormant hunger for young flesh gets mixed up with sexuality.

I really doubt this, but your referrence to "rejected males" may have some relevance. If you look at the statistics posted by asleepatthewheel you find that pedophiles tend to be considerably older than other sex offenders. Perhaps pedophiles are older people who have given up on relations with adults and are attracted in children because of the child's comparative helplessness.

quote: It has been suggested that our long hair developed as protection against maurading hunters who bit the vulnerable spinal region at the base of the skull with canines inherited from some chimp like ancestor. This method would have been employed to instantly silence the victim from alerting help. We lost the teeth, but retained the hair. [Hair was a handy protection for children, but became a liability for fighting adult males - except those who developed the beneficial baldness mutation, which was too slow to become widespread, because humans developed the intelligence to cut hair]. Anyway, I question if paedophiles are truly mentally ill. Of course such behaviour is anti-social, but in the jungle, anything goes for the sake of survival.

I really doubt this. Humans are less hairy than most other land mammals. It's felt that our lack of body hair is an adaptation that helps keep our brain cool. We retain hair on the head however as insulation.

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Another problem - and by the way this IMHO, the Psychologists in my wife's doctoral program would probably have a s**t fit if they read this - is that we no longer distinguish between pedophilia and statutory rape. This is an example of cheapening the crime, i.e. the extremes some militant feminists go in defining rape ("he told you he would break up if you didn't have sex" is rape to them - I kid you not).

Statutory rape, i.e. having sex with a willing adolescent is not what I consider pedophilia. It is wrong, but it is an immature and stupid crime, i.e. knowing you are having sex with a person who is not legally responsible, but who is very willing. IMHO most of the men, and occasional women, who do this and get caught realize - that piece of a** simply was not worth 2-5 years in prison. Even if they never get the fact it is wrong, they understand the punishment.

A pedophile is an entirely different beast. They are excited by prepubescent children, i.e. children without any secondary sexual characteristics. There is something profoundly wrong in them, and the cause is moot. The sex drive is one of the most fundamental drives in man, and is they would start to do some serious research into it I suspect they could start to seperate out that 3.3% that is dangerous, most of which I will bet come from the group I am calling true pedophiles.

It reminds me of a test a radio host came up with, if the idea of watching two men get it on makes a guy go "ewww" then he isn't gay - which is also why it is not voluntary IMHO. For every poster here, I also would bet the idea of watching an adult have sex with a prepubescent child is revolting. For those who are only excited by that - I find it very sad but they must be locked up, I like that Canadian system.

	10-04-2005 23:26									#54
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Canada has a system in which they have men watch kiddie porn and if they get excited they lock them up for good?

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You have nothing to be afraid of unless you're a paedophile.

	10-04-2005 23:39									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Az You have nothing to be afraid of unless you're a paedophile.

NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL DEMOCRACY!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It's funny how no one ever makes the arguments about those who rape children that they do about those who rape adults. Adults are always asking for it or are vindicitive *****es who change their minds or didn't like the sex.

Because children don't normally dress sexily.

ACK!

	11-04-2005 00:11									#58
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Have you been paying attention to young girls these days?

	11-04-2005 00:12									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove There was an older man in our town who ran various kids classes. He gave dancing lessons and he offered a sort of mock indian tribe for boys. My mother enrolled me in both. In the indian club we had to make our own loin clothes, and then we learned indian dances and chants. At the end of each class he'd give us a mock spanking. He'd have us lie across his lap, then he'd rub his hand across our buttocks and give a mock slap on the butt. Our mothers made us go to this thing. I don't think they quite understood what was going on.

and you readily admit to this

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quote: Originally posted by Wycoff It seems to be the modren trend to care more about the criminal than about the victim. It comes up all the time in the DP threads, especially from the Europeans. I maintain that it's impossible to rehabilitate most violent criminals, and even if some of them could be reformed the magnitude of their crimes makes it so they don't deserve the chance for rehabilitation. They didn't give their victims a second chance. Child rapists/murderers are one of the reasons why I'll never stop supporting the death penalty. I've found every argument for its abolition utterly unpersuasive. I don't understand how people can lobby against executing these monstrous criminals.

Here's the thing. I don't recall ever seeing a child molester on the electric chair. It's always a murderer.