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mrmitchell
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I've been playing some games lately, and it turns out a lot of them are great games, but don't do things I would like to see, they go the extra mile, but they don't go the inch after that, if you get what I mean.
I wish Simcity 4 would be more realistic and model depressions for cities. Nowhere in the world is it just grow, grow, grow for a place, and the focus of the game is on something that in hindsight is actually pretty retarded: traffic flow. Sure, it is somewhat important, but bad traffic doesn't stop the world's great cities. Look at Paris, New York, London, all filled with bad drivers and they're all still world cities. But removal of down cycles prevents cities from gaining a part of history that can't be gained any other way and they all eventually just fill up the whole map with high-rises and highways.
Not to say that Simcity 4 is a bad game. But the only way you can crash a city in the game is to make decisions which give Enron a glow of intelligence, which really isn't how it is in real life. Yes, there are outside factors, always. And the tier system for building densities (the one where the game thinks, "hmm, at 14,000 citizens this city should have 75% level 3 residential, 25% level 2,") just doesn't convert for industrial zones. It's even partially recognized when you only have 3 tiers of industry but 7 or 8 or 9 tiers each of commercial and residential.
But it's still a great game.
Battlefield 1942 is actually pretty good but it doesn't have any kind of fun mode where you just have a constant stream of Nazis or Japs pouring at you to be shot up. That would be "going the extra mile".
Red Faction was a great game but geomod wasn't as well-useable as it should have been. I should've been able to blow EVERYTHING up but I wasn't.
Railroad Tycoon 3 doesn't give enough depth to financial operations. It's still a great game BUT it's just building rail track and putting down trains and buying stock.
Do you all know any games like this? Or any way to fix these things that I've mentioned?
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:17
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Originally posted by mrmitchell
I've been playing some games lately, and it turns out a lot of them are great games, but don't do things I would like to see, they go the extra mile, but they don't go the inch after that, if you get what I mean.
I wish Simcity 4 would be more realistic and model depressions for cities. Nowhere in the world is it just grow, grow, grow for a place, and the focus of the game is on something that in hindsight is actually pretty retarded: traffic flow. Sure, it is somewhat important, but bad traffic doesn't stop the world's great cities. Look at Paris, New York, London, all filled with bad drivers and they're all still world cities. But removal of down cycles prevents cities from gaining a part of history that can't be gained any other way and they all eventually just fill up the whole map with high-rises and highways.
Not to say that Simcity 4 is a bad game. But the only way you can crash a city in the game is to make decisions which give Enron a glow of intelligence, which really isn't how it is in real life. Yes, there are outside factors, always. And the tier system for building densities (the one where the game thinks, "hmm, at 14,000 citizens this city should have 75% level 3 residential, 25% level 2,") just doesn't convert for industrial zones. It's even partially recognized when you only have 3 tiers of industry but 7 or 8 or 9 tiers each of commercial and residential.
But it's still a great game.
Battlefield 1942 is actually pretty good but it doesn't have any kind of fun mode where you just have a constant stream of Nazis or Japs pouring at you to be shot up. That would be "going the extra mile".
Red Faction was a great game but geomod wasn't as well-useable as it should have been. I should've been able to blow EVERYTHING up but I wasn't.
Railroad Tycoon 3 doesn't give enough depth to financial operations. It's still a great game BUT it's just building rail track and putting down trains and buying stock.
Do you all know any games like this? Or any way to fix these things that I've mentioned? |
actually the city where I live does grow, grow, and grow.  .
My city never has depressions. Although my city is unique as it's a major tourist attraction that is guranteed to take tourists money.
and what city actually crashes? You don't see cities go out of business. All cities grow. Just some grow more than others. actually I should add that not all cities grow in population. Because cities like Detroit are losing population to cities like mine.
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mrmitchell
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Are those cities or just large towns?
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300-person towns all the way up to 20,000-person cities slowly drying up.
Closure of industries, lack of high-capacity transportation through and out of the area, boneheaded political mistakes, poor education, depressions, all of these are things that happen in real life but aren't properly simulated.
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mrmitchell
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Smiley, maybe you've never been outside of California, but down here there's a rule of thumb: if you can drive through it without noticing it, it's not a city.
Even by California standards, certainly 9,000; 13,000; 21,000-size cities should be counted, especially if they used to be tremendously larger--at certain points in time, Camden had 30000 construction workers in it related to the [World] War [II], Smackover had 25000 oil-rushers, etc. History does not entirely happen in metropoli with millions of inhabitants, and if the right things had been done, we would still have those 30000 and 25000 and a hell of a lot more.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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re declining cities.
Last game in that SC series i played was simcity2000. three reasons cities dont decline there.
1. Industries dont decline. At worst some industries slow down, but none go into total tailspins. If there were a random factor for "industry X totally collapses" you could get a nice collapse if you have a specialized small city.
2. Even in a small city, you have lots of individual factories, in your industrially zoned land. If there were some incentive and ability to have all industrial employment from single large factory, and there was random chance of that factory being closed for external reasons, that could create depressions.
3. IIRC there isnt really a "cost" factor effecting demand for your local industry. If theres demand generally, there will be demand for that industry in your city. Taxes impact that I think, but thats all. Instead there could be a factor where if your education level is bad, or your transport infrastructure is poor, you cant attract industry.
Oh, and even if an industry DID collapse, its probably too easy to bounce back. Would need to introduce some idea of specialized training for workers - not just educ level, but if I have experienced textile workers, and textiles goes bust, and i try get an auto plant, they are all unskilled labor as far as the auto industry is concerned. Same for support infrastructure, etc.
Not sure how SC4 handles any of this.
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mrmitchell
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duke:
Decline isn't a phenomenon that is specific to Arkansas. It happens almost everywhere west of Nevada. Slums, the Rust Belt, urban decay...
LOTM:
Basically the same things prevent it from happening in SC4. Too many small, individual factories, and the lack of a "cost" factor effecting things.
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