13-04-2005 00:59									#62
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by JohnT Nice, but we live in this world. The one with two genders. Not really. We just don't bother with a formally rigorous classification system. People are funnelled into two loose, overlapping straitjackets based on their genitalia, and that's the end of it. Words like "tomboy", "sissy", "metrosexual", and the like exist to denote various kinds of deviation from convention. They aren't particularly systematic, but a larger picture exists.

Yes, the larger picture of two distinct sexes. What are you not getting here?

	13-04-2005 00:59									#63
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I think I'm beginning to understand JT. One problem that may be causing me some confusion...all those clothes. Do you have any educational materials where they're not all bundled up like that?

	13-04-2005 01:00									#64
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quote: Originally posted by joncha

???







... man?



D'oh!

	13-04-2005 01:02									#65
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quote: Well, since I look like none of those, I am not of either of those genders. Whatever. In the seven-gender system of Greg Egan's Distress, the pictured would be of the ultra-female and the ultra-male varieties. I am more of an infra-male.

I will soon be an ultra-male!

	13-04-2005 01:03									#66
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT ??? ... man? D'oh!

YOUR_WINNER!!1

	13-04-2005 01:04									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer I think I'm beginning to understand JT. One problem that may be causing me some confusion...all those clothes. Do you have any where they're not all bundled up like that?

I have heard rumors from faraway lands that extensive, days-long computer research might reveal possible pictures of these "women" creatures without their clothing. You might not find anything, and if you do, it is likely that you'll find the selection of photographs to be so meager, of such poor quality, as to be almost useless in your learnings.

Or you can approach one of them and ask them to remove their clothing. But that requires a skill set of a completely different sort. Better to stick with that computer thing.

	13-04-2005 01:06									#68
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You chicken

	13-04-2005 01:09									#69
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I've already caught me a golden goose.

Anyway, if I go out now sowing my wild oats, it'll be a bitter harvest!

	13-04-2005 01:12									#70
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That's some nice work by the surgeons, btw.

	13-04-2005 01:12									#71
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JT, amen to that brother

I meant about posting nudies on Poly...though what you have already done is possibly above and beyond the call of duty...

Btw, my fellow Poly folk, if you messaged the mods about the goings on here, you're gay.

	13-04-2005 01:14									#72
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But I know all these women!

The first one is Debbie, the model-looking one is my friend Kim, and the two chicks are my sisters.

	13-04-2005 01:16									#73
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... and that's Joncha's mom.

	13-04-2005 01:18									#74
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Yes, the larger picture of two distinct sexes. What are you not getting here?

I am saying that, just like Good and Evil, Man and Woman are a lossy way of looking at the world.

Yes, everything can be categorized as Good and Evil. Everyone can be categorized as Man and Woman. And every bitmap picture can be converted to greyscale and resized to 1x1.

But, by doing so, we lose crucial details. The model fails to approximate the real world within a reasonable margin of error Man and Woman is not very useful as a descriptive model, and it should never be used as a predictive model.

And better approximations exist.

Look at the picture space05 posted. I don't look anything like the five Men pictured, despite having the same set of genitalia and the same taste in the genitalia of a partner. If I may continue judging books by their covers, our interests, talents, and skills are very different. Something that engages my imagination and my intellect would leave them bored shitless, and vice versa.

Anyways...

* St Leo throws Lego blocks at JohnT

You doodoohead! Waawaaawaawaaawaaa.

Preemption is fun.

	13-04-2005 01:19									#75
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You didn't answer me.

	13-04-2005 01:21									#76
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"The first one is Debbie, the model-looking one is my friend Kim, and the two chicks are my sisters."



It's good to have a close family. Your sisters seem to get along very well indeed.

	13-04-2005 01:28									#77
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quote: But, by doing so, we lose crucial details. The model fails to approximate the real world within a reasonable margin of error Man and Woman is not very useful as a descriptive model, and it should never be used as a predictive model. And better approximations exist. Look at the picture space05 posted. I don't look anything like the five Men pictured, despite having the same set of genitalia and the same taste in the genitalia of a partner. If I may continue judging books by their covers, our interests, talents, and skills are very different. Something that engages my imagination and my intellect would leave them bored shitless, and vice versa.

Quite a wordy way to make the point that individuals are different.

However, groups of them based upon similar characteristics will exhibit... similar characteristics. What's so rough about that concept?

Sure you lose some "real world" subtle differences - but here's the thing. The "real world" is comprised of 10/\66 atom, Earth has 10/\49 atoms, but my brain has only 10/\11 neurons, meaning that any "real world" percieved by you and I is nothing but a model forced upon us by lack of information processing power.

So, chill. The subdivision of people into "men" and "women", even if a mental construct, is still a useful tool for making ones way around this world (which still has but two genders (as far as humans are concerned.))

	13-04-2005 01:29									#78
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT ... and that's Joncha's mom.

That's my father, you bastard!

	13-04-2005 01:30									#79
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Damn my patriarchial misogynistic hide!

	13-04-2005 01:31									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "The first one is Debbie, the model-looking one is my friend Kim, and the two chicks are my sisters." It's good to have a close family. Your sisters seem to get along very well indeed.

More people should have the close relationships in their families that we have developed in ours.

	13-04-2005 01:32									#81
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man, joncha, your father is beautiful.

Seriously, though, the closeup photo shows that she was once a man.

	13-04-2005 01:35									#82
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It does?

	13-04-2005 01:37									#83
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yes, but very subtly. It's her face, obviously.

	13-04-2005 01:41									#84
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Right...

	13-04-2005 01:44									#85
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Hey, we don't dis family members in here, Az! You take back what you said about Joncha's dad!

	13-04-2005 01:46									#86
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro There's some cool stuff on her website:

too bad that's totally false.

	13-04-2005 01:48									#87
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Maybe St. Leo is right - we should have more genders. I move for man, woman and sissy.

	13-04-2005 01:50									#88
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Joncha's dad signed my picture personally:

Attachment: harisu.jpg
This has been downloaded 85 time(s).

	13-04-2005 01:51									#89
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quote: Right...

I am serious. there is something.


Some great training, here:
http://www2.b3ta.com/femaleorshemale/

	13-04-2005 01:52									#90
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Joncha's dad has terrible hand-writing.