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If Larry Flynt died next, then there could be a sitcom with Larry Flynt, Andrea Dworkin and the Pope all forced to share a celestial apartment in heaven, with Terri Schiavo as the wacky interfering neighbor. Laffs abound!


That sounds great! Lets have our people do lunch.

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Like che said, only if you believe it. The Guardian is the type of publication that would minimize Dworkin's controversial words.




Slight overstatement. The Guardian has published articles in the past critical of Dworkin's work, including her account of how she was allegedly raped in Europe.


Michael Moorcock apparently got on with her tremedously, and Tom Wolfe used to borrow her triple breasted underwear.










Okay, the last part of that sentence is somewhat fictional.

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I wonder what Saint Marcus would have to say about the similarity of man and woman, and whether the differences are just culturally imposed.


I have the opposite problem. Intelligent guys capable of prolonged communication are ever elusive. Girls are easier to find.


Which is why you're at a message board populated almost exclusively by guys, right?

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I have to tell you, this insistence that genetics can determine all physical properties of mankind but then has no effect on mental, emotional, and behavioural development is truly bizarre (especially in those subjects which are politically hot - it's as if the genes knew that they weren't supposed to have any effect on personality, IQ, etc. and then didn't.)

Brilliant!


The blank slate paradigm was mostly an overreaction against Nazism and racism, that is why it gets political; people who disagreed with it were branded racists, sexists, Nazis, reactionaries, etc. Blank slate nuts tend to do vicious personal attacks against scientists who show data that conflict with the blank slate, instead of debating the data itself. Also, most variantions of genes that deal with behavior INFLUENCE behavior, not directly cause it, which the blank slate nuts don't get because of the way the mutations are reported (they are usually reported as "Gene for behavior X" when it should properly be described as "gene that increases chance of behavior X.

Most research indicates that our intellegence is equally influenced by genetics and enviroment, and there is no differences in the genetic component as a population average between ethnic groups.

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Scientific proof that physical differences between man and woman lead to personality differences!!!!11!!11eleventy!!!!!

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Published Friday 25th February 2005 14:51 GMT
An Italian sexologist has claimed that he can tell a woman's personality from the size and shape of her breasts, and his research has revealed some interesting and previously unknown facts about human females.

Piero Lorenzoni this week expounded his mammicular theory to German tabloid Bild. Shortly thereafter UK jub enthusiasts at the Sun got their quips out for the lads.

Likewise, we at El Reg feel duty-bound to share Lorenzoni's expertise in the matter, as follows:

Melons: A woman with large, round breasts "likes eating and wants to be spoiled and admired, but seldom likes sex," says Lorenzi.
Grapefruit: "This woman may look erotic, but in reality is bashful and homely. She spoils her partner but prefers tenderness over sex."
Pears: "Loves love in all its variations. She can be very religious, but is known to have affairs."
Pineapples: "A woman with pineapple breasts is intelligent, often has a career but is still romantic. They are also faithful. Whoever wins their heart will not lose it quickly."
Oranges: "While she is self-confident and knows her goals, she has little interest in sex. She likes conversation and partnerships."
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Cherries: They are entertaining and intelligent. Make great partners both for everyday life and on holiday and are moderately interested in sex."
That's right - the shocking conclusion of Lorenzoni's study is that women don't like sex very much and the form and volume of their assets makes little or no difference in the matter.

Having said that, there is another possible explanation, and one favoured by our own Lucy Sherriff: that women do not want to have sex with Piero Lorenzoni and he has not realised that this may not apply to other males. Interestingly, a web search for a picture of the Italian breastologist returned absolutely no results whatsoever. There are only two conclusions to be drawn from this: that Lorenzoni is so breathtakingly handsome that women fear they may die of sexual ecstasy if they indulge in rumpy-pumpy with the Italian Stallion; or that he he so closely resembles John Merrrick that the merest glimpse of his hideous form provokes females to run screaming for the hills taking their fruit with them.

Whichever is the case, we can understand why Lorenzoni wishes to keep his appearance a closely-guarded secret. ®

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An Italian sexologist has claimed that he can tell a woman's personality from the size and shape of her breasts, and his research has revealed some interesting and previously unknown facts about human females.


I want to perform some of this, erm, research

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The blank slate paradigm was mostly an overreaction against Nazism and racism, that is why it gets political; people who disagreed with it were branded racists, sexists, Nazis, reactionaries, etc. Blank slate nuts tend to do vicious personal attacks against scientists who show data that conflict with the blank slate, instead of debating the data itself.


Odin overstates his case, as usual. The real problem with the biological case has been the messangers. When your major proponents in the last three decades have been unreconstructed white supremacists, it's kinda hard to take them seriously. As seen in the debate over The Bell Curve whenever scientists demolished the arguments in the book, the authors went off on a "They are just PC monsters who won't let us show our findings." It helped generate a lot of contraversy, but it was false and the opposite of what was actually happening. Those opposed to them were the only ones actually interested in discussing their ideas, the authors were the ones clouding the issue. And since contraversy generates more press than reasoned debate, guess what the press concentrated on. None of this will change Odin's mind, cuz he knows what his professors have told him is true.

Contrast this with discovereies of biological components of both addiction and homosexuality, and you find none of the backlash from "blank slaters" that Odin says accompanies all such discoveries (there was, however, a backlash from the right). In general, when you find someone making the argument that someone is biologically inferior, that's when you find "blank slaters" getting upset.

Very few people anymore deny a biological component to our behavior. The main line of argument is how much.

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I never defended The Bell Curve. I hate people who use genetics as a way to discriminate against people just as much as I hate people who attack a scientifc finding that conflicts with their political and philosophical veiws.

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I never said you defended The Bell Curve. What I said is that you engage in strawmen arguments because that's what your professor told you. You greatly overstate the case.

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any guy that wants a girl for their brain and that being a mitigating factor in dating them is an idiot.

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Sez the dude who loses his gf to the porn industry.

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zinged badly!

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I hate people who attack a scientifc finding that conflicts with their political and philosophical veiws.


What's wrong with attacking scientific studies? Isn't that part of the scientific method?

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Sez the dude who loses his gf to the porn industry.


like her brain had anything to do with that.

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Her lack of brain did.

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What's wrong with attacking scientific studies? Isn't that part of the scientific method?


Not when you are attacking it for a non-scientific reason. you attack the data and the conclusions from that data, not just dismiss it because it is against your political or philosophical views. Lysenko getting the Bolsheviks to favor Lamarckism and to dismiss Mendelian genetics and Natural Selection is a case in point.

Che, I know the blank slaters are now a small minority, but they still seem to be very vocal and tend to Godwinize everything, or pull the race card all the time, even though genetics has thouroughly disproved the concept of race.

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Her lack of brain did.



Or perhaps more accurately: His lack of brain did.

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bah! i got what i deserved for believing a purely sexual relationship had any further meanings.

whatever you want to say che, i have this experience to draw from which isnt many people can say.

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Lysenko getting the Bolsheviks to favor Lamarckism


Stalin, not the Bolsheviks. Don't get your politics from a science class, and don't get your science from a politics class.

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whatever you want to say che, i have this experience to draw from which isnt many people can say.


I'm just yankin' your chain, but yer the idiot who said that any man who choses his partner for his brain is an idiot. It seems that while you may have had the experiene, you haven't learned from it.

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Slightly misleading, but Andrea Dworkin, feminist theorist and polemicist, author of 'Pornography', has died:

http://www.radgeek.com/gt/2005/04/10/may_she

Her site: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/dworkin/


Good riddance I say. It´s nutjobs like her that gives feminism a bad name...

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Man and Woman is not very useful as a descriptive model, and it should never be used as a predictive model.

Using gender as a predictive model is sexism. The very idea is flawed.

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Using gender as a predictive model is sexism. The very idea is flawed.


Huh? the differences in the brains of men and women is well documented.

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Using gender as a predictive model is sexism. The very idea is flawed.


I think I can very validly predict that while very few men will become pregnant, quite a few women will...

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Stalin, not the Bolsheviks. Don't get your politics from a science class, and don't get your science from a politics class.


... and get neither from a message board.

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I'm just yankin' your chain, but yer the idiot who said that any man who choses his partner for his brain is an idiot. It seems that while you may have had the experiene, you haven't learned from it.


any person that rejects a woman solely for her brain, or lack thereof is a douche

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This demonstrates the number of genders to be larger than two how?


You're confusing sex with gender. Genders are arbitrary.. if there are two that is an accident.

Says you.

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Gender are social categories. My society only recognizes two. Be however freaky you like; we're gonna pidgeonhole you in one of them.


In fact it doesn't. Male and female homosexuals add another two - people expect them to dress and behave differently from heterosexuals.

By that logic, geeks and sports freaks are genders too.

If gender has to have any meaning distinct from "sociocultural group", it has to relate to gender roles as commonly understood. Homosexuals simply do not get separate such.

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Oh, and I'm disappointed by your lack of self-righteousness. I say you're all potential rapists, and no-one even blinks.

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By that logic, geeks and sports freaks are genders too.


Only if by that "logic" you mean something that has nothing to do with logic.

Since when do geeks and sports freaks have anything to do with sexual identities and sex roles?

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