17-04-2005 03:37									#91
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Nothing good, I'm sure.

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quote: What would you say about people that get Masters Degrees? Just curious.

Can't say. I've never taught a graduate class.

	17-04-2005 03:59									#93
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quote: Then you see my point. If I have to choose between someone like you who and someone whom I can see really wants the job and will stick with it for a long time, I'll go with the latter.

Understood.

I would want the job because it would help me pay my bills, I'm already a night owl, and it seems like work I would be good at.

Would I have a passion for that work? Not really. Good luck finding someone though that does.

	17-04-2005 05:04									#94
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I only type with two fingers. I'm not employable am I?

.... never bothered to learn how to type better. I'm pretty fast with two fingers.

	17-04-2005 05:45									#95
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cut off the other 8. Then, you can sue for discrimination when they won't hire you for typing with only 2.

	17-04-2005 06:20									#96
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yikes. I think I'll get typing lessons.

	17-04-2005 14:49									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker What would you say about people that get Masters Degrees? Just curious.

Generally brighter, with a higher proportion of the class interested in learning more about their chosen subject rather than just furthering their employment prospects. Still only a few though.

	17-04-2005 20:34									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Understood. I would want the job because it would help me pay my bills, I'm already a night owl, and it seems like work I would be good at. Would I have a passion for that work? Not really. Good luck finding someone though that does.

Passion isn't quite needed, but a desire to do it longterm and the ability to enjoy it certainly helps. And you would be surprised. I've encountered many people who are thrilled to have such jobs and enjoy coming to work for them.

	17-04-2005 20:36									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Dracon II I only type with two fingers. I'm not employable am I? .... never bothered to learn how to type better. I'm pretty fast with two fingers.

Depends on the job, I suppose--many jobs don't require expert typing. And I don't think technique would matter as much as raw speed and accuracy, anyway. Not my area of expertise, but I think a reasonable speed to have would be 40 wpm or so, based on resumes I've seen for admins/clerks/etc.

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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Generally brighter, with a higher proportion of the class interested in learning more about their chosen subject rather than just furthering their employment prospects. Still only a few though.

In liberal arts (US), a masters means either 1) the person is teaching high school or 2) They couldn't make it through the PhD program and this is the consolation prize.


either way...


In non-liberal arts fields, a masters is more meaningful, of course, and in some cases a worthwhile end in itself.

	17-04-2005 22:16									#101
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I was drawing on my own experience studying and teaching. I live in the UK though.

	18-04-2005 00:44									#102
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My typing skills have proven to be quite useful. I am the fastest typist in the lab by a way...

	18-04-2005 00:47									#103
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guess they don't post on forums then

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I suppose doing that has honed my skills a little

	18-04-2005 00:51									#105
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just a tad

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Now, about me (my favorite subject )

the job the recruiter called me about on Friday is outside of the pharmaceutical field, it's specialty chemicals. Requires 2 to 4 years process engineering experience, but doesn't indicate in what arena. I assume pharma is close enough. Makes me worry though, shifting within an industry is fine, but I wonder if I am going to screw myself by moving industries all together.

Any thoughts?

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quote: In liberal arts (US), a masters means either 1) the person is teaching high school or 2) They couldn't make it through the PhD program and this is the consolation prize.

That's in the US. A Masters degree is a prereq for a PhD program outside North America (mind you, a PhD is shorter too - 3 years).

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quote: Passion isn't quite needed, but a desire to do it longterm and the ability to enjoy it certainly helps. And you would be surprised. I've encountered many people who are thrilled to have such jobs and enjoy coming to work for them.

Well, I'd be thrilled too.

It means I pay my rent, and the work is much more fun, than say treeplanting.

	18-04-2005 10:12									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: In liberal arts (US), a masters means either 1) the person is teaching high school or 2) They couldn't make it through the PhD program and this is the consolation prize. That's in the US. A Masters degree is a prereq for a PhD program outside North America (mind you, a PhD is shorter too - 3 years).

Masters programs in Australia are only 1 - 1.5 years.

	18-04-2005 10:33									#109
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in physics a masters is about 2 years of classes

a PHD is then ~3 years of research ontop of that

most people do not end on a masters (in fact, the programs won't accept you unless you are going for your PHD)

Jon Miller

	18-04-2005 11:03									#110
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I've not read this thread so forgive if I'm repeating what someone else said.

I've been an interviewee and I've interviewed people - I can tell you, interviews suck as a method of screening people. I've seen instances in which a person did terrific job at an interview but turns out to be one of worse employees. And there were some people that did awful at their interviews but my intuition told me to hire them and I had to persuade fellow interviewers to give them a chance and they wind up becoming one of best assets to the organization.

Interviews suck but I guess we need a way to select people.

With that out of the way - I once applied to McDonald's and was turned down. I was mortified! But fortunately the rejection led me to search on and I landed a terrific job somewhere else so I can't complain.

	18-04-2005 11:15									#111
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I agree, interviews pretty much blow as a tried and true method of screening.

	18-04-2005 14:07									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Barinthus With that out of the way - I once applied to McDonald's and was turned down. I was mortified! But fortunately the rejection led me to search on and I landed a terrific job somewhere else so I can't complain.

To be rejected by McDonalds is the ultimate kick in the teeth really, isn't it?

	18-04-2005 14:24									#113
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I was turned down by McDonald's. Though they weren't really hiring. I put in an application anyways.

McDonald's are hard jobs to get for teenagers where I live. People tend to look at teenagers as irresponsible for some reason. Fast food restaurants normally hire adults where I live.

	18-04-2005 14:26									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I was turned down by McDonald's. Though they weren't really hiring. I put in an application anyways. McDonald's are hard jobs to get for teenagers where I live. People tend to look at teenagers as irresponsible for some reason. Fast food restaurants normally hire adults where I live.

You stick to your guns Diss, massage that ego

	18-04-2005 16:47									#115
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Still, you can focus on their encouraging feedback, and just keep plugging away. The next interviewer might be a big Michael York fan.

Yeah Jamski! Do Folderol need an accountant?

Diss, if you get the Ronald McDonald suit in the right size next time then I'm sure you'll sail through.

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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york So, polytubbies, in a bid to relieve my gloom, what are the most outrageous reasons you have been refused a job for?

premature ejaculation

	18-04-2005 18:32									#117
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Are you MRT's DL, bfg?

	18-04-2005 19:37									#118
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Are you MRT's DL, bfg?

I'm his evil twin.

	18-04-2005 19:43									#119
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I'm a little surprised about the comment that "when i was hired I was promised a promotion in 2 years"

No promotions should be automatic, they should be based on attaining work goals or performance goals. Time shouldn't guarentee anything. And promising employees things that may not happen is the best way to lose employees.

	19-04-2005 00:06									#120
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Whoever said that must be a civil servant.